Hank, You youngster you! One other dimension, the institutions can only offer classes in the languages (and techniques/technologies) that the trainers know and than they have the resources (hardware, compilers/interpreters) to cover.
Maybe therein lies an answer to the 'marketing' side too. The best way to 'market' a new language, ie to cause it to spread virulently (?virus-like) is by offering classes in the schools! Certainly when my customers ask about 'which tool' my first question is always, "what skill sets do the staff have?". Regards, =dn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hank Marquardt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Francesco Gallarotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 19 January 2002 13:01 Subject: Re: [PHP] Computer Science and PHP > Hmm, well I'm 20 years removed from college at this point, but I can > relate somewhat to the issue ... the tail end of my college life was > when the IBM PC was introduced and I can assure you there were no > classes in 'small systems' of any kind despite the fact that many could > see the future --- > > Certainly some things have changed, but I think the college v. scripting > languages issue is this: > > College still views CompSci as a science/engineering discipline and I > think they still use the classics -- Aho's Dragon Book, Knuth's > Algorithm stuff etc. -- all this more prepares you for life as a > kernel hacker than a web scripter ... and I believe that appropriate; I > think no one would disagree that if your a competent C hacker you can > probably pick up PHP in a couple hours and go "hey this is cool!" -- If > anything you could argue the converse side that languages like PHP ... > and ASP and Python ... pick your poision; have resulted in a lot of > people being drawn to programming in a casual way which is great for web > pages and the like, but there are also a lot of people calling > themselves programmers that really couldn't code their way out a paper > bag at a lower level, nor understand anything below the highlevel > scripting API. > > I think you could have an interesting side debate here about the shift > toward teached in OOP as a paradigm. > > I think you look those two points and I can understand why you see Java > in a lot of cirriculums ... it's OO, it's easier than C, yet you can > code most anything you want without obsfuncticating the low level stuff > with a over-simple API. I really don't like Java myself, but I can see > why it's popular as a teaching language. > > Just my $0.02 > > On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 06:57:07PM -0500, Francesco Gallarotti wrote: > > I am a student in a college in NY state. Here we have several servers and > > dozens of courses on computer science. No server is PHP ready and no course > > instructor knows anything about PHP. Why do you think this is happening? I > > really like PHP and I am using it in my personal website to work with some > > text files and a small database. Why PHP is so not popular in the computer > > science teaching area? > > > > F.G. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -- > Hank Marquardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://web.yerpso.net > GPG Id: 2BB5E60C > Fingerprint: D807 61BC FD18 370A AC1D 3EDF 2BF9 8A2D 2BB5 E60C > *** Web Development: PHP, MySQL/PgSQL - Network Admin: Debian/FreeBSD > *** PHP Instructor - Intnl. Webmasters Assn./HTML Writers Guild > *** Beginning PHP -- Starts January 7, 2002 > *** See http://www.hwg.org/services/classes > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
