On 29 Apr 2002 at 0:46, michael kimsal wrote:

> Can someone point me to hardware that is still in active use that can't 
> handle javascript?

Hardware?  No.

> Similarly, can someone point me to a company that specifically disables
> javascript as 'corporate policy'?  Back in 96-97, the 'no javascript' 

Hmmm, not specifically.  Although, I can think of at least one large 
organisation with a WAN that would have thousands of computers that 
specifically _ADDS_ their own javascript-based navigation to the top 
of every single page in the browser.  This particular behaviour will 
break any javascript mouse-over that doesn't specifically name, and 
use by name, mouse-overs.

The point in a network the size of the Internet you just don't know.  
A good web programmer is going to take into account that some people 
will deliberately disable javascript.  For those people you get a 
choice.  Either ignore them or take them into account.  It's your 
decision.  Just because everyone else does it is not enough reason.

Few web designers take the blind into account when designing but that 
doesn't mean it's right.  In fact, here in Australia the Sydney 
Olympics web site was the subject of (winning if I recall) legal 
action over it's inaccessibility to the blind.

There are ways to make sure your wonderful web design will still work 
if javascript isn't present.  There are design rules that will leave 
your website mostly navigable to people using text-based browsers.  
There are ways to degrade capabilities gracefully, and ways to 
disable badly.

An example of badly is to basically tell someone to "bugger off" 
because they don't have 'xxx' (where 'xxx' is whatever technology you 
want to use, be it javascript, java, flash, etc, etc).  If they can 
figure out you don't have it and give you a message about it then 
they can insert something that leaves the site functional - even if 
not as "nice" an experience.

> IMO, it's now like targetting only websafe colors because some people 
> might only browse in 256 colors.  If they do that, about 80% of the 
> web's content will look like crap anyway, and they won't specifically 
> think my stuff looks all that much worse than anyone else's.

Depends on your audience.  I fair percentage of computer owners never 
adjust their screen resolution from whatever it was delivered at.  If 
the store left it at 800x600x256 then they will never change it even 
if it's capable of more.  I know of at least one organisation that 
was running 17" monitors at 640x480x256 because that's how they were 
set up when delivered!  Weren't they surprised when we changed it for 

CYA, Dave

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