on 22/07/02 6:40 AM, Richard Lynch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> But, if they still insist on it, one answer, as I already said, lies here:
> http://phpclasses.org/
> I'm sure there are a zillion other solutions, that just happens to be one I
> know of.
> Why it takes a few thousand people on this list to search this out for you,
> when it's readily find-able in Google, or at least in a very brief search
> starting at http://php.net/links.php is also beyond my comprehension.

Hang on -- I already know how to do HTML mail -- was defending the OP!!

> Actually, though, when my clients insist on HTML email, I just tell them:
> "No.  If you want that feature, you'll have to hire somebody else to do it.
> I've already explained why."  I don't think I've lost a single client that
> way -- Every one of them has re-considered my advice, and outright refusal,
> and decided maybe I *do* know what the hell I'm talking about.  YMMV.


>>> It also doesn't add anything.  Pretty colours and flashing lights make
>>> it harder to read email, and even if you just restrict yourself to basic
>>> document formatting, well, is it *that* important that your text is
>>> shown as <strong>strong emphasis</strong> rather than *strong emphasis*?
>> Following this same logic, should we all just use <PRE> formatted green text
>> on a black background?
> Following your logic, should we install HUDs (Heads Up Display) *right*
> *now* in cars rolling off the manufacturing line of Detroit?
> No, of course not.
> Your average driver isn't trained to use them, and probably won't be trained
> to use them in any reasonable time frame.

We were all trained to cook in microwaves pretty quick smart -- an extremely
different way of cooking.  Not quite the same as a plain formatted email and
one with a little bit of layout, clarity and visual hierarchy.

> Similarly, your average email client, and average email user, are clearly
> *NOT* ready for HTML email.  You only have to look at the spread of stupid
> email viruses to understand this *FACT*.

Yup -- couldn't agree more.

> Maybe, some day, with some reasonable effort on the part of an
> organization/company that actually understands email, HTML and *SECURITY*,
> there might actually *BE* a decent email client that can handle HTML-email,
> and we might even have an "information superhighway" (LOL) capable of
> handling the load that imposes across the board.  Today is not that day.

Agree totally.

> A web-page is *NOT* an email.
> More importantly, an email is *NOT* a web-page.

Correct.  An email is a communication medium.  And long term, people are
going to expect that email can have simular simple visual cues, formatting
and layout that they can achieve as "second nature" in such shite as M$

> If you want me to look at your damn pretty colors and junky graphics, send
> me an email with the link.
> If I want to waste my time downloading all that crap, I'll click.  If not,
> buh-bye.
> If you want to insist on sending me inappropriate content for the selected
> medium, you'll get what you deserve -- I will delete your email without even
> looking at it, much less with a chance that I'll be interested enough to
> visit your web-site.  I am not alone in this behaviour.

Okay, I agree with all this, but there's definitely a mix-up here:  *I*
don't want to send HTML email.  I hate it, never send it, don't like
receiving it, don't run any lists that support it, and always attempt to
subscribe to mailing lists as a text-only reader.

However, I do believe HTML mail (or *some* form of formatting) has a place,
and in the right hands (impossible, I know), can be useful with minimal
burden, and the original poster was well within their rights to ask how it
was done, because realistically, they may have to achieve it.  It's not
truly you place or mine to dictate to them how evil it is -- just warn them
as much as possible.


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