On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 12:34 AM, Orlando Andico <[email protected]> wrote:

> Merely pointing out that Oracle is far from the only or worst offender
> in the "charge 'em high!" software sweepstakes.

at least you admitted that indeed they charge high.

> Oracle also does contribute quite a lot to the Linux kernel (around
> 4th ranked I believe) including BtrFS and AIO.
>
commendable!
> ..

> A common fallacy. While it is true that the baseline is continually
> going up, the value-add is also going up.

the gap may not really close but it will be closer and closer. the
future will be the judge.

> There are simply some areas
> of expertise that nobody would want to do in their free time.
>
leaving some areas of expertise that somebody would like to do in
their free time as well.
> ..

> Yes but my dream is to have a nice-enough life, a couple kids, etc.

still not nice-enough life?

> i don't want to devote 15 years of my life pursuing a utopian
> (dystopian?) dream.

ok your choice.

> Richard Stallman had his MacArthur Prize for him to live off the
> interest of so he doesn't need another job.

he's deserving anyway.

> Finland has a cradle-to-grave social security system and so Linux
> could "petiks" all throughout college and grad school while working on
> his baby Linux.

> I am not denigrating these people's contributions. But they mostly
> came from First World countries that could afford to subsidize their
> dreams. I don't see that much in the way of OSS contributors locally.

it is easy to blame the country eh. wouldn't it be more exciting to do
a Linus while in the Philippines?

> An old friend of mine, Gerard Java, wrote a piece of software that's
> literally in every Linux distribution - iptraf. I'm sure you've heard
> of it.
>
> Where is he now? in Canada. Because this country couldn't give him a
> comfortable-enough livelihood. So what did iptraf get him? I don't
> know. Andre Varon (andrelst) is also a friend of his. He's also in
> Canada.
>
they have their reasons. i don't earn as much as you but i can say im
having a comfortable-enough livelihood. i think its not what will you
get from giving but how many got it and make use of it.
> ..

> Motherhood statement.
>
> As a previous sender mentioned, this thread is getting nowhere. Yes,
> you ARE not open-minded, Joebert.
>
you are a participant to this thread dont forget. you are not open-minded, Orly.
> ..

> Do you know how much money they charge?
>
> I'm not laughing.
>

i dont cause im not paying.

> BTW I don't have my own business like Johann does. Tried that, open
> source advocacy and solutioning. Didn't fly. We ran out of cash. Bad
> business mindedness.

get rich first then go back to back to advocacy.

> I work for Larry Ellison. While that may in your eyes mark me as a
> shill, I don't see it that way.

i like Larry Ellison until he got married.

> Whether you're working in open or
> closed source, you can and do contribute to the community.

i dont doubt your contributions sir.

> And, being on the other side of the fence has showed me how much
> talent and effort there is. Closed source companies are not parasites
> or "conventional thinking" to be overthrown. I truly believe that most
> innovation happens in closed source companies, simply because they
> have the funds to invest in new ways of thinking, new technology.
>
> in a way Ballmer was right -- that closed-source companies do most of
> the innovation. He was wrong in claiming that Microsoft did most of
> the innovation.
>
> If you disagree, please give some examples of software innovation
> which truly came from the Free software community.
>
i agree. software patents?
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