Okay, I propose a cease fire. It is clear for a lot of reasons (philosophies, advocacies, method of arguing, etc) we're never going to agree. So let's end this thread already, okay?
Good morning! =) Johann On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 5:39 AM, joebert jacaba <[email protected]> wrote: > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 12:55 AM, Orlando Andico <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > The reason why closed-source companies charge for EVERY copy of their > > software, is because they need to money to: > > > > 1) develop NEW versions of the software with MORE features > > > oracle maybe yes but ms office. > > > 2) pay their shareholders > > the first sale could have paid them enough. > > > I don't think anybody will deny that everybody needs a decent > > livelihood. Guess what... closed-source employees like myself also > > need a decent livelihood. And the shareholders in these companies > > deserve a decent return on their investment. > > > > If you put your money in a company, or the bank, would you be happy if > > it paid no interest, no return? Hmmmm. > > of course not. its the reason why you have decided to in the first > place. if your purpose is to donate it then its a different story. > > > > > Nobody will deny that non-Free software costs money. But companies > > will only charge what the market is willing to pay. Since the market > > is willing to pay Oracle, SAP, IBM, Microsoft, Infor, and God knows > > who else, then there is nothing immoral about charging those prices. > > And the market is willing to pay because they get something for it. > > lets influence the market to pay less and less then. > > > That "something" may not resonate with Joebert or RMS but it does mean > > something to these companies. > > > > Let's not forget that all those great innovations that RMS slavishly > > re-implemented (his beloved gcc, grep, etc ad infinitum) all came out > > of Bell Labs, which (yes it was a Free software culture) was > > bankrolled by the largest, most monopolistic company in history, AT&T. > > if oracle is willing to bankroll an a rewrite or show code perhaps in > free terms i dont have a problem with that. > > > And let's see... the Unix desktop (GNOME and KDE) have been sapping > > developer resources for over 10 years.. that's almost a generation... > > and still get bitch-slapped by MacOS X. There really are some things > > that a "many eyeballs" Free approach isn't good at addressing. > > im satisfied with GNOME. i can't afford a mac anyway. so bitch-slapped > will not apply to me and to many others i think. > > > You don't get something for nothing. > > i get my ubuntu desktop for nothing. > > > And in my opinion, the price of continued innovation in software, is > > having to pay for (at least some) of it. > > > someday innovation will come without a price. > > > > Anyway back off my soapbox. And back to my evil Closed-Source job that > > pays the bills. And incidentally helps a lot of people in this > > country, by enabling companies and government agencies to do their > > jobs better. > > it is expected to help a lot of people in the country. taxes are spent > paying the license isn't it. if its free then you get an award just > like RMS did. ;) > _________________________________________________ > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > -- Web application and database consulting: www.sagadasolutions.com
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