They also really never tell you what the violation is, nor are they receptive to lifting the ban. Some people have had their livelihoods destroyed for reasons out of their control.
I am also uncomfortable allowing "insert provider here" to, perhaps with my permission because I didn't read the terms of service, mine my data and use it for any purpose they choose. My data may be useless, it may not be. I'd rather be in control. On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 9:38 PM mo <[email protected]> wrote: > That part I didn't think about. It's easy to be in "violation". > > On Fri, Aug 9, 2024, 10:00 Johnathan Mantey <[email protected]> wrote: > > > There's also the danger that "insert provider here" decides you have > > violated their terms of use and permanently block you from your own > > content. > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 9, 2024 at 9:17 AM Ben Koenig <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Obligatory XKCD 743: > > > https://xkcd.com/743 > > > > > > A lot of people use "privacy" as a shorthand way to reference the > larger > > > issue of trust when it comes to companies like Google. > > > > > > Yes, GW does provide a lot of features that may fall perfectly in line > > > with what users want. But there is more to infrastructure than just > "does > > > it have feature X?" > > > > > > Google in general has shown that it is not reliable from an > > infrastructure > > > standpoint. They have a tendency to kill projects, and those projects > > that > > > are not killed will someday change and end users often have no say in > the > > > matter. The fact that GW provides the requested features today is moot, > > > because tomorrow those features could be removed or changed rendering > > your > > > conclusion incorrect. > > > > > > Rational people generally avoid Google because they trusted them in the > > > past, got burned and learned from the experience. IIRC there was a > > > discussion very similar to this on G+.... let me get you a link... ;) > > > > > > -Ben > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, August 8th, 2024 at 8:49 AM, mo <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Not really. > > > > > > > > Privacy? Considering the insane amount everyone puts on social media, > > > what > > > > privacy is there? Plus anything other self hosted = someone has your > > > data. > > > > > > > > Market diversity? Idk what that one means precisely. > > > > > > > > GW not Gmail. So not free. > > > > > > > > 144% for 1000% more services than mere email host. > > > > > > > > So nope, don't understand even slightly why rational ppl would not > > choose > > > > GW in this scenario. But I appreciate the effort regardless. > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 8, 2024, 07:29 Tomas Kuchta [email protected] > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Privacy, market diversity, not having all eggs in one basket, gmail > > is > > > free > > > > > anyway, .... and 12*6=72 that happens to be 144% of 50 > > > > > > > > > > I hope that gives you some idea what others may or may not think > > about > > > when > > > > > chosing a service provider. > > > > > > > > > > Tomas > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2024, 11:36 mo [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > If $50/yr, why not just use Google Workspace? $6/mo for all their > > > > > > services. > > > > > > I'm asking bc I want the cons of using GW. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2024, 01:18 Tomas Kuchta > > [email protected] > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > ++ for fastmail email hosting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Works great with(out) own domain for $50 per year. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only feature I am missing - their calendar foes not export > > > birthday > > > > > > > calendar over IMAP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -T > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 6, 2024, 16:13 Courtney Rosenthal > [email protected] > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, been there, done that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I quit email self-hosting I went to fastmail.com. It > > works > > > out > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > $50 per mailbox per year. I have a bunch of domains there. I > > > setup > > > > > > > > aliases in those domains that forward into one of two > > mailboxes. > > > So > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > costing me about $100/yr for that and I'm super satisfied. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They won't do DNS though. I'm using cloudns.net and I'm very > > > > > > > > satisfied > > > > > > > > with them. I've had to use their support a few times (for > their > > > > > > > > monitoring service) and they've been super responsive -- > > > including > > > > > > > > implementing a feature request I made. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/6/24 14:34, Michael Rasmussen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm winding down my self-hosted web space. Part of this is > > > finding > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > place to host jamhome.us - or more accurately the email > > > portion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you recommend a place that would do that? They can host > > the > > > > > > > > > domain > > > > > > > > > name too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Courtney Rosenthal / [email protected] / www.crosenthal.com > > > > > >
