Those def not the kind of mushrooms I prefer 😂. Wouldn't all externally hosted services suffer a likewise vulnerability? Granted are worse than others, albeit idk who is worse. I barely tried any of them. I miss self hosting; I actually enjoyed sysadmin life aka troubleshooting.
On Mon, Aug 12, 2024, 08:22 Ted Mittelstaedt <[email protected]> wrote: > To be fair the 2003 version of Word didn't have all the Nanny State > spyware-report-to-Microsoft stuff in it the current versions do. > > "The fact that GW provides the requested features today is moot, because > tomorrow those features could be removed or changed rendering your > conclusion incorrect." > > Yes this is correct - we have an Expense Report spreadsheet at work that > uses a complicated macro that someone in the IT department created so that > users can just type in the source and destination city in their travel and > have the mileage calculated. It uses a http call to Google to obtain the > mileage. > > Well 8 months ago - Google made a change to the URL - a very slight one - > whereupon the expense report spreadsheet broke, causing much hair-pulling > and consternation. > > It took me around 6 hours to figure out what that change was and explain > it to the IT department tech who wrote the macro so he could fix the > sheet. Needless to say there was no documentation on the Google website > explaining why they made the change, and even more annoying the "old style" > URL still worked perfectly - when typed into a web browser - thus greatly > complicating troubleshooting by misdirecting me down innumerable > rabbit-holes. > > That sheet also breaks when the credit card number on file with Google > declines - which happens every 6 months or so when the purchasing > department changes the card due to someone having stolen the number and not > telling us they changed it. Yet Google never charges the card because our > usage of the API is below the minimum threshold. > > The whole system Google has setup for it's public APIs is completely > ass-backwards. And they get away with it because for 90% of the lower > volume customers that use it, the APIs are free. And you can bet Google > tells their high-volume spammer..I mean users... that they are making > changes before they do. But the rest of their "customers" are out with the > garbage - they are mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed BS. > > Ted > > -----Original Message----- > From: PLUG <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Ben Koenig > Sent: Friday, August 9, 2024 9:17 AM > To: Portland Linux/Unix Group <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PLUG] email hosting - who? > > Obligatory XKCD 743: > https://xkcd.com/743 > > A lot of people use "privacy" as a shorthand way to reference the larger > issue of trust when it comes to companies like Google. > > Yes, GW does provide a lot of features that may fall perfectly in line > with what users want. But there is more to infrastructure than just "does > it have feature X?" > > Google in general has shown that it is not reliable from an infrastructure > standpoint. They have a tendency to kill projects, and those projects that > are not killed will someday change and end users often have no say in the > matter. The fact that GW provides the requested features today is moot, > because tomorrow those features could be removed or changed rendering your > conclusion incorrect. > > Rational people generally avoid Google because they trusted them in the > past, got burned and learned from the experience. IIRC there was a > discussion very similar to this on G+.... let me get you a link... ;) > > -Ben > > > On Thursday, August 8th, 2024 at 8:49 AM, mo <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Not really. > > > > Privacy? Considering the insane amount everyone puts on social media, > > what privacy is there? Plus anything other self hosted = someone has > your data. > > > > Market diversity? Idk what that one means precisely. > > > > GW not Gmail. So not free. > > > > 144% for 1000% more services than mere email host. > > > > So nope, don't understand even slightly why rational ppl would not > > choose GW in this scenario. But I appreciate the effort regardless. > > > > On Thu, Aug 8, 2024, 07:29 Tomas Kuchta [email protected] > > > > wrote: > > > > > Privacy, market diversity, not having all eggs in one basket, gmail > > > is free anyway, .... and 12*6=72 that happens to be 144% of 50 > > > > > > I hope that gives you some idea what others may or may not think > > > about when chosing a service provider. > > > > > > Tomas > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2024, 11:36 mo [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > > If $50/yr, why not just use Google Workspace? $6/mo for all their > > > > services. > > > > I'm asking bc I want the cons of using GW. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 7, 2024, 01:18 Tomas Kuchta > > > > [email protected] > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > ++ for fastmail email hosting. > > > > > > > > > > Works great with(out) own domain for $50 per year. > > > > > > > > > > The only feature I am missing - their calendar foes not export > > > > > birthday calendar over IMAP. > > > > > > > > > > -T > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 6, 2024, 16:13 Courtney Rosenthal [email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, been there, done that. > > > > > > > > > > > > When I quit email self-hosting I went to fastmail.com. It > > > > > > works out to > > > > > > $50 per mailbox per year. I have a bunch of domains there. I > > > > > > setup aliases in those domains that forward into one of two > > > > > > mailboxes. So it's costing me about $100/yr for that and I'm > > > > > > super satisfied. > > > > > > > > > > > > They won't do DNS though. I'm using cloudns.net and I'm very > > > > > > satisfied with them. I've had to use their support a few times > > > > > > (for their monitoring service) and they've been super > > > > > > responsive -- including implementing a feature request I made. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/6/24 14:34, Michael Rasmussen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm winding down my self-hosted web space. Part of this is > > > > > > > finding a place to host jamhome.us - or more accurately the > > > > > > > email portion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you recommend a place that would do that? They can host > > > > > > > the domain name too. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Courtney Rosenthal / [email protected] / www.crosenthal.com > >
