--- "Miguel A.L. Paraz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
> The only thing that comes into mind is transaction
> security and other
> crypto extensions to DNS.  On the other hand, I
> don't use these right 
> now but I plan to use the signed zone transfers and
> resolver queries to
> prevent spoofing.
 
http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/forgery.html
it's worth the read

> 
> Well I admit that BIND is the norm for me because
> I've been using it
> for years and I haven't had the chance to personally
> study the alternatives.

> Teach us then :)

nah i find you people better equiped to teach ( i.e i
find you personally as one of the best I.T. people in
the country ) i'm not kissing your ass i know your
work
:)
( some members of plug already use djbdns )

> Well in my experience BIND 9.1 has been running
> smoothly.

very good then :) if things work smoothly then no need
to try and change anything.

> 
> Indeed, well, it's good you bring these up so that
> PLUG folks
> would get a chance to try out djbdns.  I could, but
> it's nontrivial
> with our setup.

yeah people should if they have the time (i.e again
some members of plug are already djbdns users )


> 
> > put aside DJB's ego and his flames and put your
> > thoughts on his work ( people tend to shy away
> from
> > his work because of his ego )
> 
> Actually, I have no problems with his ego or his
> person.  It's just that
> I've seen a whole of DJB ware that require you to
> subscribe to his philosophy
> of how Unix tools should work. (e.g. to install
> qmail you need his package X
> and Y instead).

because he wants you to use something better :) 
hehe but as qmail wants you to use tcpserver it also
supports inetd and xinetd :)
then again i know your point

  This is opposed to say, Postfix,
> another MTA written from
> scratch, but with painless configuration in mind.

qmail is as (painless to configure or install as any
MTA ( i.e i tried postfix a year ago but it did not
appeal to me i was having a hard time configuring it
to use ldap 
ofcourse anything new is hard at first ( if you don't
read docs/faqs and other stuff )


> 
> If you're a hobbyist or have a small system to
> maintain, you can afford to
> spend a lot of time to tweak your setup. On a
> production system with
> lots of paying customers, ease of use, maintenance,

by the way djbdns is used by the second and third
largest dns servers in the internet i read it
somewhere but i can't remember the url ( hopefully im
not wrong )
visit http://cr.yp.to/djbdns.html read the faq's the
security guarantee blah blah blah it's worth the read
specially if you are not doing anything


> lots of paying customers, ease of use, maintenance,


i dunno i find doing ./add-ns ./add-mx ./add-host
./add-etcblahblah then do a make afterwards  easier to
use than editing bunch of files the giving named a hup
or running ndc restart

http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/ad/easeofuse.html


> and trainability for new
> staff comes into play. 
> Sometimes, you just have to measure the cost of
> being hacked * the probability
> vs the cost of implementing new ware.  

yes ofcourse we all know that being hacked is always
the worst scenario (i.e. tell me what would you do if
the cracker/script kiddy rm -rf / all of your servers?
)
is it as worth as training  people to use new ware or
the cost of downtime??

Security isn't just a goal, but an absolute
requirement.

That's
> Management 101 for us free
> software users.

hrmm funny though i thought i was a free software user
djbdns and qmail is free with strict licensing or then
again  maybe i am not i should rethink.

-Dek
http://cr.yp.to/djbdns.html ||
http://cr.yp.to/qmail.html


ahh don't mind me im just bored!!!

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