Quoting Andy Sy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

> Sorry, can't help but feel that you're deliberately trying to put
> things in a convoluted perspective just to avoid admitting you're
> wrong.  The situation you're painting is pretty absurd and definitely
> counts as a strawman scenario.  The moment you agree to distribute
> your one-liner under GPL you are obliged to make its sources available
> freely, no?

No.  Haven't you -=read the GPL yet=-, Andy?

You could avoid wasting a great deal of time, if you would bother
actually _reading_ the text you're purporting to critique.

Other people who elect to _redistribute_ my one-liner would have
obligations to grant some form of source-code access to any party under
GPL v.2 clauses 3a, 3b, or 3c, whichever one applies.  

> The rights granted to me under the GPL can never be withheld even if I
> choose not to pay you.

You're ignoring what I said.  I said:  "I just wrote a one-line shell
script, have declared it to be under the GPL, have given it to nobody
whatsoever to date, and am willing to let you have a copy under the GPL
_only_ if you send me US $1."

Until you send me the $1, I'm not willing to give a copy to you or
anyone else.  Ergo, by your (rather foolish) criteria for what is a
"commercial licence", the GNU GPL is a "commercial licence". 

Which suffices to demonstrate that your concept as defined is useless
and misleading.

> And that's where the problem lies.  You insist on using a moot
> definition when there is a slightly different one that is much more
> practically applicable to the situation at hand.  In this case,
> 'commercial license' means a license whose provisions you have *no
> choice* but to pay for in order to take advantage of

Please see example above, using the GPL.

> ...something that the GPL expressly forbids.

You are in error.

> Again, sorry, as long as you insist on claiming I don't know what I'm
> talking when I know very well I do, you will not hear the end of it.  

But you've just proved it.  Again.

> You feel free to give it a rest.

Sorry, no.  

And, please, talk to us after you've at least _read_ and understood what
the licence under discussion actually says.

-- 
Cheers,                     Chaos, panic, & disorder - my work here is done.
Rick Moen
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