On Sat, Jul 03, 2004 at 01:24:56PM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> You give a long winded example sir, but you
> slightly misunderstand the article. The problem
> is not "excess baggage: unneeded apps, tools,
> games" on Linux installations. It's the overall
> faster *desktop* experience you get with windows
> XP compared to Linux.
> 

Then I guess the title of this article was misleading :( Perhaps the
newsforge people have a passion for FUD, don't you think? :P

Let's see how XP and Linux beats up each other's crap on an equal
playing field: qemu. I'm gonna run some tests: I just got a raw image
installed with WinXP a few days ago, and tonight I'll make another one
with Debian sid. I'll have both of them run under 2.6 *at the same
time*, then one, then the other, and we'll see if I can login faster
on a Gnome session than on a Windows BSOD session... (of course I can
do this in an actual system, if anyone can spare me a box ;)

> And the above comment is backed by using windows
> XP(2 years) everyday and Linux(7 years) as a
> desktop.
> 

And mine comes from at least 10 years of Windows XPerience (not
referring to the product, but to the whole lot of broken glass ;) plus
a bit of DOS (I'm now dabbling FreeDOS nowadays, and maybe adopt
dosemu at the Debian WNPP :D) and almost a year of Linux (its going to
be 1 this August ;)

> your other solutions are correct though, like
> disabling uneeded services.
> 

And that's true for *ALMOST* all OSes (except possibly Minix ;)

> 
> hmm... 2GB? give you a tip:
> 
> When installing Debian, it reboots and runs
> tasksel where you can choose to install a mail
> server, workstation, etc. Exit from it. You
> still have roughly 50 to 100mb base install.
> 
> run apt-get install xfce4
> 
> Debian will then get the necessary dependencies
> to run xfce4. You probably can run xfce and
> other apps in less than 500Mb rather than 2Gb.
> 
> I can fit X, icewm, gnome-terminal plus devel
> apps and libraries to compile a kernel in less
> than 500Mb.
> 

Too late for that advice, but maybe I'll apply that when I get to set
up a friend's network :D. Thanks. I don't reget hitting the yellow
light, though, 'coz that's where the real innovation comes in ;P...

> 
> I think you are referring "fat" as the eye candy
> of gnome.
> 

Yes, among other things. But that was what the article was referring
to, right? Gnome's (and KDE's) bloat is the most noticed 'fat', and
I'm leaving a lot of room for OpenOffice.org's and Moz's blubber too
;P Of course, there are other indications/sources of 'fat', but the
appearance issue is the most visible of all (and of course, it should
be ;) 

Cheers,
Zakame

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