On Wed, 2004-07-07 at 23:08, Zak B. Elep wrote: > This is getting boring. At one hand we have the zealots, at the other > are the inquisitors, and I, who feel to have started this bash, am stuck > in the middle. Let's all bury the hatchet folks. The SNR's getting high > and I'm receiving more messages than I want to see in my spam box > (although I admit I actually look forward to PLUG posts ;) Let's quit > bashing each other and really do what we all do best: USE LINUX.
Let me just clarify one more thing about this 'zealotry' issue: Setting an example: 2 people arguing about faith. let's say, you, being a catholic - it's a religion, you have faith that there exist your maker, whom you call as 'God'. Then you have an adversary, an Atheist, who dont believe any of these god crap. Put yourself in place on that man with a religion, then the other way around. Look and feel each one's ideals, do you sense a zeal in there? Are you willing to submit to the atheist telling you that there is no god? Or if you were the atheist, would you listen to the man telling you there is a god? Then by definition of a zealot, the two are incapable to listen to the idea of the other. Therefor both of them are zealots. Are you one of the either? For all I know, thats the way most Linux zealots feel about the OtherOSvsLinux issue. It isnt just some fanboy-bandwagon-like hitching, Or some college crackerzboyz spewing fud stench all over the place. These zealot people are also *thinking people. Most of these zealed users/programmers, know the strength and weaknesses of each ones turf. At least on my part, I could see the moral issues that are involved that led me to choose Linux. Sure, there are *some good programs in the windows armory only available for their platform, then comes the zeal from the other side who kept pushing/demanding to outmatch the program, making it available for their own. Dont just tell anyone not to be a zealot, becaues if everything is neutral and everyone is 'openminded' to an issue, then we will all be in 'limbo'. The world will be in a 'stand still', no development in Linux camp, no development in the MS camp, 'stalemate'. Even mathematical equations could prove that phenomenon. Zak was right about zealots being like a frontliners in a battle. The zealots do the 'dirty job' on each others side, apart from the people that look like tennis spectators, with nothing else to do but to hold their chin, nodding, analyzing, and making every comments about the match. Then jump like schoolgirls towards the victorious player who wins the match. There are other people who call themselves as zealots but on a *wrong cause. I'ts like the old hacker/crackerz misconception. Real zealots who plague the MLs/NGs, whether that be from Microsofts or Linuxs are armed with explanations and facts, and not just spread FUD's and rediculos lies, like most MS zealot's I know do. These are the one's who give linux a bad name. And I think these are the one's you're refering to, on all these threads. I dont believe that the Linux zealots who just merely spread real facts about their operating system, would bring Linux down. The linux zealots are even outnumbered by these 'paid' Microsoft militants expertly trained to spread FUD's. ex. A linux 'newbie' ask for help about his/her setup on a forum, then this MS wintroll pretending to be an expertise in computing, suggested the ease and brilliance of MS products, discouraging the linux newbie! Just emmerse yourself a while in the usenet Linux-assistance ng's or just about any channel, and you'll see what I mean. Just dont go to the advocacy groups, you might stagger. Ask a 'real' linux zealot and he will present you with true facts about Linux. Of course being a zealot he/she don't need to tell you about micros~1/os2. Imagine advertising your product and at the same time your opponents product? that would be laughable. Linux zealot's, and I mean 'real' linux zealots: Look for them, track down this people; armed with zeal, some of these zealots are the ones perfecting the programs youre using right now (if you're using linux), some are the ones writing your HOWTO's. (You read and believe their howto's and at the same time dont agree their zeal on the matters?), or some are simple linux enthusiasts. Until MS do not submit to the morals and fairness on the OS battlefield, then there would always be zealots, and I mean 'real' zealots, like militants/guerillas spread all over those jungles:) It's like in StarWars, there are drones of the darkside versus the rebels on the other side, of course there are zealots there, in a roguelike charachters, they would be the solitary, warriors, rangers, barbarians, valkyries, theif, etc.. pick anything you want :) Of course there are the 'monk-like' elders/priests who represents the arbiters and wise-asses, but they're usually rare and ugly, and could only be found in the woods. So, which one are you? LOL, Im way out here... to much mud :P Peace, -- -stderr(Cagayan de Oro) -- Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] (#PLUG @ irc.free.net.ph) Official Website: http://plug.linux.org.ph Searchable Archives: http://marc.free.net.ph . To leave, go to http://lists.q-linux.com/mailman/listinfo/plug . Are you a Linux newbie? To join the newbie list, go to http://lists.q-linux.com/mailman/listinfo/ph-linux-newbie
