On Tue, Jul 06, 2004 at 09:38:33PM +0800, JM Ibanez wrote: > CCing to misc, as this is getting OT > > On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:10:51 +0800, stderr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So what?! > > actually, Its just an intro to my good news. :) > > > > Many ppl have discussed that patch here in the > > > mailing list since 2 years ago... so ppl here > > > are aware of that. Anyways, it's still good > > > that you have brought it up so newer members are > > > aware of the patch. > > > > I see, so you've predicted the 'staircase' improvements > > (which is now version 7.8, seven days ago) some 2 years > > ago? > > How I wish youve brought this up to the kdevelopers > > back then. You could have spared Mr Kolivas, the time. > > And to _all_ the other people who have spared their time > > tracking down the bugs. (inc me) > > I believe his point was that people here already know about the -ck > patchset and its intended application(s), regardless of current > improvements. >
Gonna try out this patch, this thread's got me ;D > > > > Or maybe you just typed that, so the newer linux > > users will know that you're an oldie in this list. > > Just tell us you're an 'oldie', we will believe you =) > > No, he meant for you to check the list archives before posting. (Of > course, I believe I'm guilty of not doing this also...) > Use lists.q-linux.com instead of marc.free.net.ph. IP changes always means trouble if you're not too careful... Last time I checked, marc.free.net.ph -> HTTP_REDIRECT -> wk2.leathercollection.ph(202.163.192.12) and I think the box's dropping traffic... > > > Don't be a linux zealot. Linux is not always the > > > answer to any IT solutions. Different solutions > > > for different problems. Many potential users > > > were turned off with OS/2(except the banks of > > > course!) because of OS/2 zealots. > > > > OK, I assume youre very very good at computing. So, > > you know all the corners in both micro~1's kernel > > and Linux'es. and all the functions envolving speed, > > stability and security inside that program. > > > > Well, I dont!, I know only a little about linux's, > > but I dont know a thing about Microsoft's. All I > > know is that It just died on me, a LOT of times > > before. Loosing all my personal datas which where > > irreplacable back then. > > In my 8 years in linux, these catasthrophies did not > > happen to me, even in an installation in that same > > machine. I dont want other people to experience what > > I've gone through, so Im preaching the good news about > > Linux. > > Now, do you expect me to believe in you telling me not > > to be a zealot? > > Zealot, from dict.org[1] > Zealot \Zeal"ot\, n. [F. z['e]lote, L. zelotes, Gr. ?. See > Zeal.] > One who is zealous; one who engages warmly in any cause, and > pursues his object with earnestness and ardor; especially, > one who is overzealous, or carried away by his zeal; one > absorbed in devotion to anything; an enthusiast; a fanatical > partisan. > > Note: *fanatical partisan*. The connotation of course is much stronger > than the literal meaning. <imho>Being a zealot is inherently > incompatible with open-mindedness and neutrality, and calm/objective > decision-making.</imho> > Having been called "zealot" at least indirectly in this ml, I guess I deserve some say in the matter. there's always a quote that's handy for such situations: "If your mind's too open, you brains will fall off." Everyone's a zealot. But not everyone knows he is. And not everyone is a zealot for one thing only. Personally, I'd advocate XXX, but XXX's feature set is too wild compared to YYY and too uncool compared to ZZZ. Pragma tism. > > > > "Linux is not always the answer to any IT solutions" > > > > Of course everybody who are in this list knows that! > > even us newbies (what obvious reasons did we found > > our way into this list). > > Even with the obvious fact known to every linux user > > that some applications intended for windows just can't > > be 'run' into linux. > > That's why all of us are working on it,helping/demanding > > to make those applications available/portable inside linux. > > > > "Of course everybody knows that Linux is 'just' a kernel!" > Just as Windows is (or was, or will be) crap, but a crap that's getting better and better (in a nice way) > "Of course everybody knows who RMS is!" </tongue-in-cheek> > Just as everybody knows who Lolo Popong is.. Then again, who? :D > > If we are in a 'general IT' list, then I'll be more > > open to variety of IT facts in the discussion. > > But we are in a Linux mailing list, do you expect > > the people reading here to believe you that micros~1 > > or OS/2 is far more better than Linux? and they should > > switch to the other OS if they can't do it in Linux? > > Again, that is not the point. For us (as Linux users) to be able to > inform people about Linux and allow them to make a rational & > objective decision, we have to know the strengths and weakness of our > platform. "Know thine enemy" and "Know thyself" and all that. > And that applies to everything, not just Linux, but to X, to GNU and to the rest of the FOSS out there as well. "The frightening array of choices" is absolute proof of this, and as users and developers we have an obligation to know and to decide which is which. > > even without you stating what are the other > > OPTIONS/applications that are already available > > in Linux? > > As my friend and coworker (and occasional debating partner) would tell > me when I get into ultra-zealot mode: "Yes, but are these options > mature *NOW*? I'm a business. I need this functionality now, and I > need a mature solution. So I can't afford to wait for open source to > provide it for me. When they have a mature and robust solution that I > can put my business on, then I'll switch." It's all about being > pragmatic, my dear sir (i.e., would you have run your web server on > Linux 0.01?) > Haha, now that's a good one! I read somewhere that Linux originally just sent to stdout 'AA' and 'BB' alternately before it became the kernel of choice. True, one has to decide wrt his/her/its business/profession/vocation setting and that decision must be sound, objective, balanced and flexible enough for current needs. But that shouldn't discourage us from trying FOSS at least once. Most apprehensions dissipate when a good-performing FOSS app does the job of a !free app well and yet doesn't cost a dime, but rather your attention... > > Those generalized statements is insufficient to > > portray someone as an open-minded individual on > > these matters. > > Neither are your statements. > And neither are mine, or anybody's statements. Only 'root' is the judge ;D And perhaps your biz's executive. > > Or maybe youve mistaken a 'zealot' for a 'bigot'. > > They're all different entities :) > > Beg to differ. Zealotry IMO is just a step away from bigotry. > Ah, the rope-walking effect. Keep your balance and you'll be well, but lose it, and... well, you know what happens next. Believe me, I've been there just recently ;D The dragons'll be waiting for you... > > > (PS: Just a personal annoyance: I forgot that I was using Firefox. My > mind was still stuck on Emacs keybindings mode and I accidentally > closed the tab with a whole composed letter in it, intending to cut a > portion of text. So this is revision 2 of my whole reply. Blah.) > Heh. That's why I love w3m-el. M-x copy-region-as-kill should keep the text in there while you paste it somewhere else (C-h a is a wonder :) Cheers, Zakame -- |=-------------ZAK B. ELEP (Registered Linux User #327585)-------------=| || Web: http://zakame.spunge.org GPG ID: 0xFA53851D || || http://zakame.homelinux.org ICQ UIN: 33236644 || || Location: Daet, Camarines Norte Running Linux 2.6 || |=----------1486 7957 454D E529 E4F1 F75E 5787 B1FD FA53 851D----------=| Debian - When you've got better things to do than to fix a borken system
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