On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 21:38, JM Ibanez wrote: > CCing to misc, as this is getting OT
I dont have idea there's a misc.:) This should have been posted in there, and not here. oh well.. Here we go... > On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:10:51 +0800, stderr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So what?! > > actually, Its just an intro to my good news. :) > > > > Many ppl have discussed that patch here in the > > > mailing list since 2 years ago... so ppl here > > > are aware of that. Anyways, it's still good > > > that you have brought it up so newer members are > > > aware of the patch. > > > > I see, so you've predicted the 'staircase' improvements > > (which is now version 7.8, seven days ago) some 2 years > > ago? > > How I wish youve brought this up to the kdevelopers > > back then. You could have spared Mr Kolivas, the time. > > And to _all_ the other people who have spared their time > > tracking down the bugs. (inc me) > > I believe his point was that people here already know about the -ck > patchset and its intended application(s), regardless of current > improvements. Yea, sorry, [ See above, about the misc ] > > > Don't be a linux zealot. Linux is not always the > > > answer to any IT solutions. Different solutions > > > for different problems. Many potential users > > > were turned off with OS/2(except the banks of > > > course!) because of OS/2 zealots. > > > > OK, I assume youre very very good at computing. So, > > you know all the corners in both micro~1's kernel > > and Linux'es. and all the functions envolving speed, > > stability and security inside that program. > > > > Well, I dont!, I know only a little about linux's, > > but I dont know a thing about Microsoft's. All I > > know is that It just died on me, a LOT of times > > before. Loosing all my personal datas which where > > irreplacable back then. > > In my 8 years in linux, these catasthrophies did not > > happen to me, even in an installation in that same > > machine. I dont want other people to experience what > > I've gone through, so Im preaching the good news about > > Linux. > > Now, do you expect me to believe in you telling me not > > to be a zealot? > > Zealot, from dict.org[1] > Zealot \Zeal"ot\, n. [F. z['e]lote, L. zelotes, Gr. ?. See > Zeal.] > One who is zealous; one who engages warmly in any cause, and > pursues his object with earnestness and ardor; especially, > one who is overzealous, or carried away by his zeal; one > absorbed in devotion to anything; an enthusiast; a fanatical > partisan. > > Note: *fanatical partisan*. The connotation of course is much stronger > than the literal meaning. <imho>Being a zealot is inherently > incompatible with open-mindedness and neutrality, and calm/objective > decision-making.</imho> Then Im a zealot after all. I prefere the *enthusiast* type. About openmindedness, I have my own reservations for that, on these subject. <imo/> zealotry has molded lots of developments in the history of humanity, some good things were made possible because of the vigour and dedication of zealots, including some aspects that made the open source and free software possible </imo> I can't bite the finger that feeds my passion right now. > > "Linux is not always the answer to any IT solutions" > > > > Of course everybody who are in this list knows that! > > even us newbies (what obvious reasons did we found > > our way into this list). > > Even with the obvious fact known to every linux user > > that some applications intended for windows just can't > > be 'run' into linux. > > That's why all of us are working on it,helping/demanding > > to make those applications available/portable inside linux. > > > > "Of course everybody knows that Linux is 'just' a kernel!" "Linux as a set of tools, and Linux as the foundation for these tools". That depends on one's view > "Of course everybody knows who RMS is!" </tongue-in-cheek> "I dont know much about RMS and so I dont agree 100% about his views in some articles about opensource/fsf/gpl. All I know is that this man stand firmly on his principles, And he will be remembered for that. And thanks to him, you could play emacs!" </picking-nose> > > If we are in a 'general IT' list, then I'll be more > > open to variety of IT facts in the discussion. > > But we are in a Linux mailing list, do you expect > > the people reading here to believe you that micros~1 > > or OS/2 is far more better than Linux? and they should > > switch to the other OS if they can't do it in Linux? > > Again, that is not the point. For us (as Linux users) to be able to > inform people about Linux and allow them to make a rational & > objective decision, we have to know the strengths and weakness of our > platform. "Know thine enemy" and "Know thyself" and all that. Then from zealot's perspective, I know my enemy for years. I know Linux's strength, and I know Microsoft's weaknesses. [1] I dont know how you business people inform your clients about MS products and Linux, but of course you have reservations, for you're dealing about 'critical systems' that involve your businesses. But in my level, convincing others with rationality and objectivity with me, being, that linux is 'ready for everyone's desktop', then I say its more than ready, and it's a no contest. I'm not only talking about the technical contest/view in here. I'm also stating about the *moral views on why I would convince people to choose linux. [zeal mode] If you are a person who value these softwares (os) as a tool just to get things done, regardless of what it's worth (cost) disregarding your affection seing its availability for the others to use that tool, then you're one of that "manhid na geek" type person, You're one selfish [EMAIL PROTECTED] I cant blame you for that, maybe you we're raised that way. But I'd like to beat the crap out of you, and your kind :) (I just quip that, for I haven't read the availability- to-the-masses factor on these threads comparing windows/linux) If you could comprehend the morals, the ideals and the ethics behind all these issues, on which the Microsoft company had so violated so much: value of fair play competition, satisfaction to the part of its consumers, the pace of our innovation, and blah. but instead what happened was obvious greed eg. monopoly, lies(ex. fud techs),theft eg. piracy, it (encourages piracy in the first place, since only few could afford it), human innovation: where was Linux on our PC/science articles back then? when It's suppose to be an affordable/free alternative for computing and education. Microsoft company had locked the press/information-out. No fair play. To profit in bussines is not an excuse to lock-out these new ideas to everybody. I know you know all these. [] > > But we are in a Linux mailing list, do you expect > > the people reading here to believe you that micros~1 > > or OS/2 is far more better than Linux? and they should > > switch to the other OS if they can't do it in Linux? > > even without you stating what are the other > > OPTIONS/applications that are already available > > in Linux? > > As my friend and coworker (and occasional debating partner) would tell > me when I get into ultra-zealot mode: "Yes, but are these options > mature *NOW*? I'm a business. I need this functionality now, and I > need a mature solution. So I can't afford to wait for open source to > provide it for me. When they have a mature and robust solution that I > can put my business on, then I'll switch." It's all about being > pragmatic, my dear sir (i.e., would you have run your web server on > Linux 0.01?) [ See above [1] ] > > Those generalized statements is insufficient to > > portray someone as an open-minded individual on > > these matters. > > Neither are your statements. But did I figure myself as one on this thread? I did admit I'm a zealot from the very beggining. > > Or maybe youve mistaken a 'zealot' for a 'bigot'. > > They're all different entities :) > > Beg to differ. Zealotry IMO is just a step away from bigotry. -Very conclusive -No proof or whatsoever of it happening -I'ts only your opinion. Im off with this thread, I dont like the looks of this. got to go :P "Good and Evil, Black and White, Microsoft and Linux You Win" -- -stderr(Cagayan de Oro) -- Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] (#PLUG @ irc.free.net.ph) Official Website: http://plug.linux.org.ph Searchable Archives: http://marc.free.net.ph . To leave, go to http://lists.q-linux.com/mailman/listinfo/plug . Are you a Linux newbie? 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