On Thu, Jul 08, 2004 at 05:32:22AM +0800, stderr wrote: > On Wed, 2004-07-07 at 23:08, Zak B. Elep wrote: > > This is getting boring. At one hand we have the zealots, at the other > > are the inquisitors, and I, who feel to have started this bash, am stuck > > in the middle. Let's all bury the hatchet folks. The SNR's getting high > > and I'm receiving more messages than I want to see in my spam box > > (although I admit I actually look forward to PLUG posts ;) Let's quit > > bashing each other and really do what we all do best: USE LINUX. > > Let me just clarify one more thing about this > 'zealotry' issue: > > Setting an example: 2 people arguing about faith. > let's say, you, being a catholic - it's a religion, > you have faith that there exist your maker, whom > you call as 'God'. > Then you have an adversary, an Atheist, who dont > believe any of these god crap. > Put yourself in place on that man with a religion, > then the other way around. Look and feel each one's > ideals, do you sense a zeal in there? > Are you willing to submit to the atheist telling you > that there is no god? Or if you were the atheist, would > you listen to the man telling you there is a god? > Then by definition of a zealot, the two are incapable > to listen to the idea of the other. Therefor both of > them are zealots. Are you one of the either? >
Exactly as I've said earlier: everyone's a zealot. Just nobody sees it that way always... I have to confess, though, that I'm both :) My preference is Zen, however; it is not a religion, rather a way to see things... > For all I know, thats the way most Linux zealots feel > about the OtherOSvsLinux issue. It isnt just some > fanboy-bandwagon-like hitching, Or some college > crackerzboyz spewing fud stench all over the place. > These zealot people are also *thinking people. Most > of these zealed users/programmers, know the strength > and weaknesses of each ones turf. At least on my part, > I could see the moral issues that are involved that > led me to choose Linux. Sure, there are *some good > programs in the windows armory only available for their > platform, then comes the zeal from the other side who > kept pushing/demanding to outmatch the program, making > it available for their own. > > Dont just tell anyone not to be a zealot, becaues > if everything is neutral and everyone is 'openminded' > to an issue, then we will all be in 'limbo'. The world > will be in a 'stand still', no development in Linux > camp, no development in the MS camp, 'stalemate'. Even > mathematical equations could prove that phenomenon. > Again, "If you're mind's too open, your brains will fall out." ;D > Zak was right about zealots being like a frontliners in > a battle. The zealots do the 'dirty job' on each others > side, apart from the people that look like tennis > spectators, with nothing else to do but to hold their > chin, nodding, analyzing, and making every comments about > the match. Then jump like schoolgirls towards the victorious > player who wins the match. > That actually came from Sun Tzu :D Read all about it, its really good for the programmer/swordsman and for the yuppies... > There are other people who call themselves as zealots > but on a *wrong cause. I'ts like the old hacker/crackerz > misconception. Real zealots who plague the MLs/NGs, > whether that be from Microsofts or Linuxs are armed with > explanations and facts, and not just spread FUD's and > rediculos lies, like most MS zealot's I know do. These > are the one's who give linux a bad name. And I think > these are the one's you're refering to, on all these > threads. > > I dont believe that the Linux zealots who just merely > spread real facts about their operating system, would > bring Linux down. The linux zealots are even outnumbered > by these 'paid' Microsoft militants expertly trained to > spread FUD's. ex. A linux 'newbie' ask for help about > his/her setup on a forum, then this MS wintroll pretending > to be an expertise in computing, suggested the ease and > brilliance of MS products, discouraging the linux newbie! > Just emmerse yourself a while in the usenet Linux-assistance > ng's or just about any channel, and you'll see what I mean. > Just dont go to the advocacy groups, you might stagger. > > Ask a 'real' linux zealot and he will present you with true > facts about Linux. Of course being a zealot he/she don't > need to tell you about micros~1/os2. Imagine advertising your > product and at the same time your opponents product? that > would be laughable. Linux zealot's, and I mean 'real' linux > zealots: Look for them, track down this people; armed with > zeal, some of these zealots are the ones perfecting the > programs youre using right now (if you're using linux), > some are the ones writing your HOWTO's. (You read and > believe their howto's and at the same time dont agree > their zeal on the matters?), or some are simple linux > enthusiasts. > So zealot <==> hacker, eh? Actually, there is some truth to that... > Until MS do not submit to the morals and fairness on > the OS battlefield, then there would always be zealots, > and I mean 'real' zealots, like militants/guerillas > spread all over those jungles:) > It's like in StarWars, there are drones of the darkside > versus the rebels on the other side, of course there > are zealots there, in a roguelike charachters, they would > be the solitary, warriors, rangers, barbarians, valkyries, > theif, etc.. pick anything you want :) Of course there > are the 'monk-like' elders/priests who represents the > arbiters and wise-asses, but they're usually rare and ugly, > and could only be found in the woods. So, which one are you? > LOL, Im way out here... to much mud :P > > Parting shot: M$ has to hold their ground on these things. Would you believe it if I said I don't owe anyone anything? M$ may be the richest piece of ass here on Earth, but wait til you see their balance sheet... I tell you, you won't even begin to fathom how much M$ owes *us*. Billions? Nah... Cheers, Zakame -- |=-------------ZAK B. ELEP (Registered Linux User #327585)-------------=| || Web: http://zakame.spunge.org GPG ID: 0xFA53851D || || http://zakame.homelinux.org ICQ UIN: 33236644 || || Location: Daet, Camarines Norte Running Linux 2.6 || |=----------1486 7957 454D E529 E4F1 F75E 5787 B1FD FA53 851D----------=| Debian - When you've got better things to do than to fix a borken system
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