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Test...is the server still working? 22 emails on 8/29 and 8/30 then
nothing?
Provided it works, Jeff what is the next step?
Mark
Jeff,
We'd certainly be involved regarding guidance, as we've
learned what does and doesn't work over the years of developing Plum, and
we've tried some things that never made it into production because they either
wouldn't work the way Plum was originally built or the feature was just too
cumbersome to code. That, and we have a number of "If only we had done
it *this* way instead" moments that came to light after using it in production
for a while. The most obvious one was the whole name aliasing bit, but
there are a few more.
Respectfully,
Adam Phillip Churvis
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7
Developer
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Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 1:25
PM
Subject: Re: [plum] Show of Hands
Hi Adam,
Great to hear from you.
I think you
have clarified things for me, as far as your direction. I think releasing
the framework and custom tags with your stipulations would be a good step. I
doubt in anyone in the CF community has any interest in having the source to
the IDE, though. To be able to handle that we would have to be .NET
developers, so I don't see the value in that.
I too am interested in
moving away from doing just websites, and have been waffling between .NET
and Flex/Apollo. I need to leverage as much knowlege as possible, as
it is tough to do project work and develop new initiatives at the same time
(as you know). I was thinking that Plum might be able to assimilate
some of this new technology in the future and morph into a framework that
could potentially generate web, and/or distributed apps which have a desktop
component.
Anyway, lets see what others say. I didn't
want to imply that I was going to take over Plum as an OSS project, because
we all know where the shareware model got you. Giving us to take it
where we want to individually might be a first step. Although, without
your direction and participation, I am not sure I want to go there.
Thoughts?
On 8/30/06, Adam
Churvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Folks,
Just so you know, we're listening and trying to decide
how best to accommodate everyone.
Perhaps licensing the source code for both the IDE and
the Framework for public modification with a couple of stipulations
attached regarding proprietary rights. This would certainly get
everyone started improving Plum sooner and at their own pace and in their
own directions.
Plum is exactly the tool we wanted for our own use, and
it's been almost everything we've ever wanted for CF-based sites.
But our business is moving way beyond just websites over the next
year, so we need to release our hold on Plum so that others can modify it
as they see fit, when they see fit.
How would you all like to handle this? We're open
to any and all ideas.
Respectfully,
Adam Phillip Churvis
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7
Developer
BlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee
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Original Message -----
Sent:
Tuesday, August 29, 2006 8:07 PM
Subject:
[plum] Show of Hands
Hey folks,
Can I get a show of hands of those of you
on the list that still actively use Plum to develop applications (Adam and
David, you don't count ;)? Is anybody interested in seeing another
version?
Adam mentioned several months ago that there would be
another version and was looking for volunteers to help with the
tasking. If enough people are interested, I think we should take him
up on it.
I still use Plum for all my development, even though I
have been experimenting with Fusebox, ModelGlue, Ruby on Rails, and a
little DotNet, and a little Flex over the past 6-8 months. I am an
independent developer working on department-level applications, not
working on an Enterprise team, and I find that Plum just fits better for
what I do than all the Enterprise OOP frameworks out there. It is a
testiment to the foresight and skill of Adam and David that I find Plum
more than relevant still. While Plum offers so much out of the box,
there is still room for improvement and some bug fixes. And we need
to reach out to our non-Windows bretheren to try to get more traction and
momentum, or move on to other environments. I personally would like to see
Plum flourish, and so I am posting this message.
I was recently
going over the mailing list archives, and was amazed at how active we were
as a community only a year ago. Now it is like a ghost town. I
for one would like to see Plum resurrected and get some community
involvement going so we can remain relevant.
I have some ideas for
enhancements, and I'm sure those of you that still use Plum do as
well. But before we put the cart before the horse - is anybody
interested?
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v/r,
Jeff Fleitz
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v/r,
Jeff Fleitz
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