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Folks,
The basics of the license agreement would be to ensure we
retained ownership of both the derivative source code and the Plum brand.
As you can imagine, we didn't put three hard years into developing this thing to
just let it disappear. Also, we're going to be developing a Plum.NET for
our .NET-related work, so a name change would be out of the question.
Plum.NET is much simpler than Plum for CF because the .NET
Framework handles most of what Plum-generated code was designed to do, and this
time we're selling it at a serious price so people take it seriously.
Even if we had tried to sell Plum for CF, the CF market just
wouldn't have supported it.
Please don't setup any source code projects until we have this
hammered out, which we should be able to do relatively quickly once everyone's
in agreement. We want to make sure that all the legalities are handled
before any actions are taken.
How does this sound to everyone?
Respectfully,
Adam Phillip Churvis
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7
Developer
BlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee
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Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 10:23
AM
Subject: Re: [plum] Show of Hands
Well, I think Adam was waiting for more input from folks
regarding how they would like to see Plum 'released to the public'. I
don't know to make any assumptions one way or another until we find out what
we can and can't do vis-a-vis the license agreement. There are a lot of points
to consider here.
1. Will the .NET IDE be upgraded? Probably
not. Is that ok with everyone? One you start introducing mods to the default
generated code, there is no going back. This is one of the reasons why I don't
use the code generator anymore unless I want to quickly generate stored
procedures. It is not round trip. Will folks still be interested in
using Plum if they can't use the IDE/codegen any longer?
2. Do
we branch from the 1.0 version and call it something else so that we can
differentiate code bases to the community? Can we do this based upon what Adam
and David will or will not let us do.
I guess I am fence-sitting for
the time being until we have more info. If you guys have any feedback
for Adam, regarding licensing, please feel free to make your voices heard.
Long term, I have a small hosting company and can setup a forum and
possibly a svn repository and trac, or something similar. I do want to
take it slow until we see what kind of momentum we might get.
Adam,
your thoughts?
On 9/2/06, mark
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Test...is the server still
working? 22 emails on 8/29 and 8/30 then nothing?
Provided it works, Jeff
what is the next step?
Mark
Subject: Re: [plum] Show of
Hands
Jeff,
We'd certainly be involved regarding guidance, as we've
learned what does and doesn't work over the years of developing Plum, and
we've tried some things that never made it into production because they
either wouldn't work the way Plum was originally built or the feature was
just too cumbersome to code. That, and we have a number of "If only we
had done it *this* way instead" moments that came to light after using it in
production for a while. The most obvious one was the whole name
aliasing bit, but there are a few more.
Respectfully,
Adam Phillip Churvis
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7
Developer
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Sent:
Wednesday, August 30, 2006 1:25 PM
Subject:
Re: [plum] Show of Hands
Hi Adam,
Great to hear from you.
I think you
have clarified things for me, as far as your direction. I think releasing
the framework and custom tags with your stipulations would be a good step.
I doubt in anyone in the CF community has any interest in having the
source to the IDE, though. To be able to handle that we would have to be
.NET developers, so I don't see the value in that.
I too am
interested in moving away from doing just websites, and have been waffling
between .NET and Flex/Apollo. I need to leverage as much knowlege as
possible, as it is tough to do project work and develop new initiatives at
the same time (as you know). I was thinking that Plum might be able
to assimilate some of this new technology in the future and morph into a
framework that could potentially generate web, and/or distributed apps
which have a desktop component.
Anyway, lets see what others
say. I didn't want to imply that I was going to take over Plum as an
OSS project, because we all know where the shareware model got you.
Giving us to take it where we want to individually might be a first
step. Although, without your direction and participation, I am not
sure I want to go there.
Thoughts?
On 8/30/06, Adam
Churvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Folks,
Just so you know, we're listening and trying to decide
how best to accommodate everyone.
Perhaps licensing the source code for both the IDE and
the Framework for public modification with a couple of stipulations
attached regarding proprietary rights. This would certainly get
everyone started improving Plum sooner and at their own pace and in
their own directions.
Plum is exactly the tool we wanted for our own use,
and it's been almost everything we've ever wanted for CF-based
sites. But our business is moving way beyond just websites
over the next year, so we need to release our hold on Plum so that
others can modify it as they see fit, when they see fit.
How would you all like to handle this? We're
open to any and all ideas.
Respectfully,
Adam Phillip Churvis
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7
Developer
BlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee
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Original Message -----
Sent:
Tuesday, August 29, 2006 8:07 PM
Subject:
[plum] Show of Hands
Hey folks,
Can I get a show of hands of those of
you on the list that still actively use Plum to develop applications
(Adam and David, you don't count ;)? Is anybody interested in
seeing another version?
Adam mentioned several months ago that
there would be another version and was looking for volunteers to help
with the tasking. If enough people are interested, I think we
should take him up on it.
I still use Plum for all my
development, even though I have been experimenting with Fusebox,
ModelGlue, Ruby on Rails, and a little DotNet, and a little Flex over
the past 6-8 months. I am an independent developer working on
department-level applications, not working on an Enterprise team, and I
find that Plum just fits better for what I do than all the Enterprise
OOP frameworks out there. It is a testiment to the foresight and skill
of Adam and David that I find Plum more than relevant still. While
Plum offers so much out of the box, there is still room for improvement
and some bug fixes. And we need to reach out to our non-Windows
bretheren to try to get more traction and momentum, or move on to other
environments. I personally would like to see Plum flourish, and so I am
posting this message.
I was recently going over the mailing list
archives, and was amazed at how active we were as a community only a
year ago. Now it is like a ghost town. I for one would like
to see Plum resurrected and get some community involvement going so we
can remain relevant.
I have some ideas for enhancements, and I'm
sure those of you that still use Plum do as well. But before we
put the cart before the horse - is anybody interested?
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v/r,
Jeff Fleitz
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Jeff Fleitz
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