On 2019/07/08 12:24, Vadim Penzin wrote: > On 7/8/19 12:04 PM, Antoine Jacoutot wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 08, 2019 at 11:35:29AM +0300, Vadim Penzin wrote: > > > This is exactly how I solved the problem. About an hour lost in wondering > > > what can be wrong with otherwise perfectly functioning setup. > > > > > > Do you (I liked that royal `we'!) expect the user to read READMEs of every > > > package that Firefox et al. depend on directly or indirectly? > > > > No but if you want to print using cups, I expect you to read at least the > > cups > > README: > > I have done my bit by telling the package manager that I want Firefox *and* > CUPS. It should have worked.
pkg_add doesn't have heuristics to install an optional dependency just because you installed two other packages. Mind you, I'm not aware of a package manager on another OS that does that either, they usually just force the dependency. We (openbsd) did include gtk-cups in the main gtk package for a while (forcing the cups-libs dependency), but it was split and made optional again later. I seem to remember significant complaints about the extra dependencies that it pulled in which probably factored into the decision to split it again. It's easy to install an extra package if you need it. It's very complicated to split things up in various ways to cater for users with conflicting requirements. > > $ grep -i gtk /usr/local/share/doc/pkg-readmes/cups > > To be able to use CUPS printers from GTK+ applications, the gtk+2-cups, > > gtk+3-cups and/or gtk+4-cups package need to be installed. > > > > > The economy of ~150K of storage does not justify lost time. I can build a > > > complete operating system from source, however I do prefer using packages > > > --- exactly for this reason: not dealing with ridiculous stuff like that. > > > > "The economy of ~150K" ; you're only looking at the direct dependencies > > here. > > Take a look at Firefox dependencies, then add Thunderbird, then Gimp, and > then other programs. *Anyone* installing a full-fledged desktop system > should have another 150K on the drive. Most (if not all) of indirect > dependencies of gtk+[23]-cups will be pulled anyway. > > Storage can be purchased, it is cheap. Time is not. > > > You just don't want to read docs. > > That is a too-far-fetched personal conclusion. I do not want to be forced > into reading documentation in cases like that. I suppose that you had the > pleasure of configuring remote printers in a corporate environment (`Open... > what do you want to print from?'), when IT personnel cannot even tell you > addresses of printers, let alone authentication and queue parameters. > Printing is hard *enough* (for absolutely non-technical reasons). > > > But don't complain. > > It is called user experience. The OpenBSD-specific docs in /usr/local/share/doc/pkg-readmes (highlighted by pkg_add when you install a package, or at update time if they have changed) are not really optional. Well, you can sometimes get away without reading them, but if something is not behaving how you want, that has to be the first place to look.
