Alan Martin wrote  (on 10.11.2004 14:11):
> C�neyt wrote:
> 
> C> hi Alan,
> C> don't you think, a poll is never complete
> C> unless it includes "none" and/or "other"?
> 
> Yes if there is such a thing as none or other.
> 
> none? Powerpro cannot have no icons.

nope, incorrect interpretation! none means "nothing given is good 
enough!" it means, "leave it the way it is, until there's a better 
solution than these." none doesn't mean "no icons" and i'm deliberately 
avoid any analogies! how should one vote if s/he's completely against 
the change, anyway?

i see the irony in those pics missed you...


> other? What other choices are available?
> No alternatives have been uploaded. If anybody else
> is working on a design which they want considered
> they haven't let us know about it.

nope! other means "pp needs new icons but not these and/or only some of 
these" other means, principally, that you may be thinking in that 
direction but either you're only partially satisfied with the proposal 
(as i am now) or you're completely differing. maybe ppl need new icons 
but would rather like other types of designs, like (the one i've just 
approved) alpha-blended, high-color, pastel colors, hi-contrast


> I guess your message implies you would vote for none
> of them, but can you tell us of any alternative?

[see above. frankly, i didnt want to discuss about icons of PP, which i 
use lately less anyway, but you've asked.]


although i find some of the icons nice, i don't see the use of the others.

<devils_advocate_mode>
- as far as PP-related files are concerned, the only needed icons are 
for .notes, .powerpro, powerpro.exe and pproconf.exe! apart from that, 
pp doesn't have that many different internal windows-types (vdesk 
arrange, debug, etc.), which are open at the same time, that it's 
necessary to define so many icons.

- while you were at it, why didn't you adapt the old good green pp-icon 
to the new schemes and/or change it completely as well? i see, *no* 
concrete reason why pp's icon should stay the same. your icons need some 
adaptation anyway; whoever can do that, can easily adapt himself to a 
new pp main-icon as well. and ppl who manually start pp very often would 
associate the new icon very quickly anyway.

- you say one could use a different icon in taskbar for PP-help? if i 
may ask, why the heck should that be internal to pp? what about plugins' 
.txt files or pp-related .knt files?
</devils_advocate_mode>



anyway, the most interesting part is your opinion from msg 10404:

<quote>
I guess we'll never agree on a new design, and we
haven't yet heard Bruce's view on this subject.
In the meantime, I shall start using Sue's.

Icons in an exe are most easily changed with
Microangelo; almost as easily with ExeScope or
Resource Hacker.
</quote>

what has changed in your view since then? i mean, can't one simply use 
an .icl file of yours if s/he wishes, or patch the powerpro.exe with 
icons of his choice, why should they be now integrated into PP? what's 
the difference of an external icl and internal icons? ..pls, don't come 
up now with arguments like "new users", "standardization" and such, you 
were always saying "PP is a DIY-tool, not a One-Size-Fits-All!", and so 
did i. sorry, i don't really get the point!

i'm gone!


ps: you caught me in the middle of a flu, i may be missing some points 
or sounding like Statler & Waldorf.


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