Bob, I wholeheartedly agree with everything you say, my closing comment (which looks a bit out of context in your post) was me being cynical and pointing out the uneducated perception of a lot of people who don't do this for a living (taking photographs, not being cynical!). The thread I was replying to was also trying to make the point that the best tools only help the photographic process, not make it. I love and adore digital for the very reasons you outlined (in a much more concise and fluent manor than my big blue fug would allow) and appreciate it as an added element to the basic technical skills of photography and the more esoteric elements which help us to convey our message, or that of our clients. In my defense I was the one who started the whole Holga thread but I better not remind list mom as I seemed to dodge a spanking first time around!

Calvers

(in a better mood)

On 1 Apr 2004, at 20:25, Bob Croxford wrote:

I am not sure what started this idea or why we are discussing it. There seems to be a continual hangup about equipment with photographers. When did you last ask a plumber, dentist, carpenter or writer what equipment they used?
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For me there is something extra working with digital files. I can control want I want in the image to a far greater degree. However this has nothing whatsoever to do with the equipment and everything to do with how I want to use the visual elements in the picture. Anyone without that wont be helped by all the equipment in the world.


On 1 Apr 2004, at 14:54, Andrew Lopez-Calvete wrote:
The only thing that marks us 'pro' smudgers out from punters with digital compacts is the price and complexity of our toys.


Calvers

(Sorry having one of those days)


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