There is no winner in war, only losers, The formula to which you ascribe would leave the whole world much like the middle east; a pile of rubble with people like you and I, if we survived, shivering in the darkness, loneliness, without family or friend, homeless, hopeless, and powerless. This is the reality of war; no glory, no majesty, no honor; only death and destruction.

We need to work towards peace, negotiate treaties, mediate problems through a strong UN. War should not be an option because war is certainly is not a solution.

Regards,

LelandJ


Michael Madigan wrote:

Bullshit, Imperial Japan hasn't given us a problem
since Hiroshima and in fact is one of our strongest
allies.  Nazi Germany hasn't given us problems since
Dresden.

Destroy the enemy, don't just fight to a stalemate.

--- Leland Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

When will we learn that war, violence, death,
destruction, and even annihilation of entire countries, or races of people, will not make a difference in bring safety and security to the American people. Violence, fear, and horror, once released, takes on a life of their own. Violence is self perpetuating. Violence breads more violence. Only understanding, respect, diplomacy and true caring matter in bring us closer to a solution of living in a non-violent world in peace and harmony, one with another.

Regards,

LelandJ


Hal Kaplan wrote:

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Leland Jackson
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Subject: Re: [OT] Detainee Abuse Charges Feared

The rules of war have evolved over time as humanity
has moved towards
enlightenment.  Back in the middle ages wars might
evolve one castle
against another castle; kind of like two miniature
kingdoms that had
declared war.  All members of each opposing castle,
were considered
enemies and subject to the same set of rules of
war.  This meant that
even the maids and stable boys were pawns of war,
even if they never
engaged in any actual combat, and if captured they
were subject to the
same harsh treatment as the warriors, including
execution by poling or
other means, including torture to death.  There was
no concept of
non-combatants.

Over time rules of war evolved where non-combatants
were not considered
as enemies, and only the armys of each opposing
side meet on the
battlefield of war.  Later the laws of war were
refined to standardize
treatment of combatants that had been captured, so
that the enemy
combatants would be treated in a manner like any
the warriors would want
to be treated if they became captive.

Some day humanity will evolve to a place where war
will be obsolete, but
for now I would not recommend any reversing of the
rules of war back to
a more primitive time in the past, even if it got
some high political
office holders off the hook.

Regards,

LelandJ

===========================================================
Leland, I respect your opinion and even agree with
it in theory.  But
all theories are subject to empiricism.  Yes, we
have rules and I
mentioned those.  However, people who are not
members of a uniformed
military force are not subject to those rules and
they do not abide by
those rules. So why should we?
You speak of humanity, but humanistic people do not
strap bombs to
themselves and blow-up innocent people.  Humanistic
people do not make
schools and hospitals targets by waging war from
them.  We have got to
fight fire with fire.  These people have been duped
into believing that
they are doing something holy and will stop at
nothing.  The sooner we
bring them to nothingness, the sooner they will
stop.
HALinNY


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