I'll try again. There are three points in this debate where the epistemology gets a bit complicated:
1. Is the climate getting warmer? 2. Are the causes sufficiently controllable by man to justify political action? 3. Are the proposed political actions assured to produce the promised ecological benefits (and are they worth the political and economic trade offs)? Question 1 remains debatable but seems to be the least controversial. Everyone accepts that the climate changes. Questions 2 hasn't even had a real dialog, let alone debate. Mars' polar ice caps are also melting so that, combined with evidence of recent cooling and the lack of sunspots, IMHO, puts a legitimate question mark over 2. Question 3 is the all important one right now, and until we have clarity about what exactly is proposed and what it means to our way of life, I don't think we should be rushing legislation, much less treaties (which can alter our constitutional protections without the constitutional safeguards inherent in the legislative process). So let me ask you this: What are the essential provisions in the Copenhagen treaty, and why are they a good idea? - Publius On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Michael Madigan <[email protected]> wrote: > What angers me is the smugness. "The science is settled", who says so? I > don't say so. These same clowns were saying in the 1970s that we were > entering a new ice age. Did we ever get an apology for that? > > > > --- On Mon, 12/14/09, Pete Theisen <[email protected]> wrote: > >> From: Pete Theisen <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [OT] In Bolivia, Water and Ice Tell of Climate Change >> To: "ProFox Email List" <[email protected]> >> Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 4:08 PM >> Nicholas Geti wrote: >> > Here's another one for you Michael, >> > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/14/science/earth/14bolivia.html?_r=1&th&emc=th >> > >> > Their glacier is disappearing and no longer providing >> water to this village. If the planet is not warming >> >> Hi Nicholas, >> >> I think it is warming at the poles and cooling in other >> places. But, it >> runs in cycles, we just hadn't noticed it until these guys >> decided to >> run a scam on it. >> -- >> Regards, >> >> Pete >> http://pete-theisen.com/ >> http://elect-pete-theisen.com/ >> [excessive quoting removed by server] _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: [email protected] Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[email protected] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
