Don, You bailed me out of this little glitch! Linda i U
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From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Don Kelly
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 10:14 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Jprogramming] Weekend Puzzle - Age of Groundhog born 2002 2 2
Fortunately, the use of "leap" is valid as long as one doesn't go back
past 1901 or ahead past 2099.
1900 and 2100 aren't leap years (Fine tuning of the leap year calculation ).
Don Kelly
On 20/09/2014 10:53 PM, robert therriault wrote:
> Hi Linda,
>
> I share your dream and sometimes the statement 'I have a dream' can change
the world. :-)
>
> On to the weekend puzzle...
>
> The first thing I need to figure out is whether the birthday has happened
this year or not. If it has then I can pretty easily get the number of days
since the birthday using todayno, but if it hasn't then I need to find the
number of days since the previous year's birthday.
>
> 'yg mg dg' =: gbday =: 2002 2 2 NB. Groundhog's birthday
> 'ya ma da'=:afterbday =: 2014 9 20 NB. An example of date after the
birthday
> 'yb mb db'=:beforebday =: 2014 1 31 NB. An example of a date before
the birthday
>
> bdYet=:(0>-/) &: todayno NB. returns 1 if the current date is in the same
calendar year before the birthday
> ya
> 2014
> ya=. ya- afterbday bdYet ({. afterbday),}.gbday NB.use the current
year from example and the birthday
> ya
> 2014
> yb
> 2014
> yb=. yb- beforebday bdYet ({. beforebday),}.gbday
> yb
> 2013
>
> Next thing would be to define a vector that gives the accumulated days in
the year if the year were to start on February 1st. The leap year issue
means that the first item in the list will be 29 if it is a leap year. since
I have already figured out whether I am counting from the previous year, I
will use the adjusted year to decide if the year that I am counting from was
a leap year. I will just use a simple (and incorrect) version of leap year.
>
> leap=: 0= 4&|
> feb=: 28 + leap ya
> feb
> 28
> [daysFebFirst=: +/\ (feb), 31 30 31 30 31 31 30 31 30 31 31
> 28 59 89 120 150 181 212 242 273 303 334 365
>
> Finally, I create the results.
>
> [yr=:ya-yg NB. number of years
> 12
>
> [elapsed=: -/ todayno"_1 afterbday,: ya,}.gbday NB. days since the
birthday
> 230
> [mr=: +/ elapsed > daysFebFirst NB. number of months
> 7
> [dr=: (<:mr){ elapsed - daysFebFirst
> 18
> yr,mr,dr
> 12 7 18
>
> And for the case of a date before the birthday Jan 31st 2014 we get
>
> [feb=: 28 + leap yb NB. No change since 2013 is not a leap year
> 28
> [yr=:yb-yg NB. number of years
> 11
>
> [elapsed=: -/ todayno"_1 beforebday ,: yb ,}.gbday NB. days since the
previous birthday
> 363
> [mr=: +/ elapsed > daysFebFirst NB. number of months
> 11
> [dr=: (<:mr){ elapsed - daysFebFirst
> 29
> yr,mr,dr
> 11 11 29
>
> Cheers, bob
>
> On Sep 20, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Linda Alvord <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>> The J forum is my elementary school set of sub imjects. What you suggest
is
>> exactly what I would hope would happen in a J classroom. All would have
J.
>> All could experiment and exchange ideas. Hopefully they would have
solutions
>> they believe were correct. Then they could explain their thinking to the
>> entire class and the teacher. At this point in the process, the teacher
>> would not be a leader but a follower.
>>
>> Possibly I am dreaming....
>>
>> Linda
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of robert
>> therriault
>> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 1:20 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [Jprogramming] Weekend Puzzle - Age of Groundhog born 2002 2
2
>>
>> Hi Linda,
>>
>> If you are looking for a way to get learners to be interested in the
>> problem, why not use the very model of learning that we are using here?
>>
>> You put a problem out to your class (forum) and see how the responses go.
>> You as the teacher (moderator) are free to choose the rules, knowing that
>> the students (participants) are able to put their attention elsewhere if
>> things are not kept interesting. It is a style of learning that we use on
>> these forums everyday and it seems to work for us.
>>
>> What might not work as well is going into the class and showing them how
to
>> solve the problem, as this takes away so much from the experience that we
>> enjoy when we are learning. The challenge for the teacher is not so much
>> coming up with a solution, as it is to make sure that they are engaging
as
>> many students as possible. This is especially true at the extremes of the
>> class' abilities - both the really adept and those that are struggling
with
>> the concepts are where teachers are most valuable.
>>
>> Just my two bits, but I would probably just start with the question of
'how
>> would you measure time in metric?' and use that as a way to explore all
the
>> ways that you would count and group the types of time and how they way we
>> measure time can be pretty crazy and why it might be good if we could get
>> computers to do the work of taking care of the crazy systems that we have
>> set up. Where the class would take this in terms of topic is wide open,
as a
>> teacher you just make sure that as the core concepts arise they are
covered
>> accurately.
>>
>> Cheers, bob
>>
>> ps. The quickest way to get me to care about the age of your groundhog is
to
>> have one of my classmates start trying to figure it out, but my learning
is
>> usually socially motivated. :-)
>>
>> On Sep 20, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Joe Bogner <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Linda
>>>
>>> The solution is quite simple and uses one built verb from an addon. I
>>> posted it with the solution masked so others can try it on their own
>>> without accidentally seeing mine
>>>
>>> The actual solution is the result of this:
>>>
>>> |. solution2
>>> On Sep 20, 2014 11:54 AM, "Linda Alvord" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>>>
>>>> We are talking children here.
>>>>
>>>> Onyadot. emiTetaDot, ffiDst, onyadot, emiTetaDot, emitetad, sepyt and
>>>> eriuqer are all denied!
>>>>
>>>> How about using +, -, *, ?, %: and that sort of thing.
>>>>
>>>> I must admit you did get the right answer!
>>>>
>>>> You can also get a second chance.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers, Linda
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: [email protected]
>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joe
>> Bogner
>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 9:10 AM
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Subject: Re: [Jprogramming] Weekend Puzzle - Age of Groundhog born 2002
2
>> 2
>>>> solution...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1
>>>> 2
>>>> 3
>>>> 4
>>>> 5
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> lightly obfuscated for someone who doesn't want the solution
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> solution1=: 0 : 0
>>>>
>>>> )2 2 2002 onyadot emiTetaDot( ffiDst )02 9 4102 onyadot emiTetaDot(
>>>>
>>>> 'emitetad/sepyt' eriuqer
>>>>
>>>> )
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> to run:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 0!:1 |. solution1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> solution2 =: 0 : 0
>>>>
>>>> )2 2 2002( ffiDst )02 9 4102(
>>>>
>>>> 'emitetad/sepyt' eriuqer
>>>>
>>>> )
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 0!:1 |. solution2
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> note: both take advantage of a addon. solution1 uses todayno just
because
>>>> it was stated in the problem but solution2 is what I'd really use
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 4:54 AM, Linda Alvord <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Using the verb todayno which provides the number of days since the
>>>>> beginning of 1800, write what you need to find the age today of a
>>>>> groundhog
>>>>> born on 2002 2 2.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> todayno 2014 9 2014
>>>>>
>>>>> 80418
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2014 9 20 age 2002 2 2
>>>>>
>>>>> 12 7 18
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> His age is 12 years, 7 months and 18 days. Use simple J. Check that
>>>> your
>>>>> solution provides a correct answer for you birthday.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Have a pleasant weekend.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Linda
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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