Thanks Bill. It sounds like a start, and as if there's a gtk migration path in there. I'll take a look at it when I get time.
Ian On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 9:04 AM, bill lam <[email protected]> wrote: > I added to addons/demos/gtk a very simple emulator for some wd commands. > It uses gtkfix for fixed position widget which gtk document discourages > and so do I. Please refer to gtk help (gtkfixed widget) about its > deficiency. The same argument could also applied to J wd. > > Сбт, 29 Янв 2011, Chris Burke писал(а): >> A large part of wd is devoted to forms, and this was supported by our >> own form editor. Both these would have to be radically changed for >> gtk, and I suspect it would be better to work on a glade interface. >> >> Otherwise, it would be great to have the simple design of wd carried >> forward to gtk. >> >> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Ian Clark <[email protected]> wrote: >> > In that connection, a "wd" emulator in gtk seems unavoidable. >> > For the sheep, not the goats. And me, in a sheepish mood. >> > >> > That's going to have to be my next project... >> > >> > >> > >> > 2011/1/28 Björn Helgason <[email protected]>: >> >> One thing is having everything and another is to learn how to use it. >> >> >> >> It is a much longer process of moving the users over and getting everyone >> >> up >> >> to speed of using this. >> >> >> >> 2011/1/27 bill lam <[email protected]> >> >> >> >>> I think most gtkide function are already implemented with the exception >> >>> of >> >>> gui >> >>> debug. But I can be wrong because I seldom use gtkide. >> >>> >> >>> Чтв, 27 Янв 2011, Björn Helgason писал(а): >> >>> > I do agree that very many easy tools are available in J6 and many/most >> >>> > of >> >>> > them have not yet been replaced in J7. >> >>> > When that will happen is hard to say. >> >>> > It is pretty adventuresome to throw away such an excellent product like >> >>> J6 >> >>> > and jump on to something like J7. >> >>> > I do realize that J7 as it stands now is more of a promise than a >> >>> reality. >> >>> > I do know there is a lot more to J7 and the new environments than what >> >>> > I >> >>> am >> >>> > able to utilize at the moment. >> >>> > I also do know that as time goes by I am pretty sure that J7 has a good >> >>> > future and the excellent tools of J6 will be replaced. >> >>> > When to jump on the J7 bandwagon has to be up to anyones decisions. >> >>> > I do not see myself learning much of what J7 has to offer if I continue >> >>> > using J6. >> >>> > >> >>> > 2011/1/26 Ian Clark <[email protected]> >> >>> > >> >>> > > > It is more or less like stopping drinking or smoking. >> >>> > > > It is also why it is so difficult for fat people to go down in >> >>> weight. >> >>> > > > You have to eat something at least once in awhile. >> >>> > > > Step wise is not the way to go. >> >>> > > > Aim for a goal and go for it. >> >>> > > > I decided many months ago to go over to J7 and since then I hardly >> >>> open >> >>> > > J6. >> >>> > > >> >>> > > J602 is the horse that pulls my cart. Not the horse I ride for >> >>> > > therapy. To switch horses at this stage in my pet project is like >> >>> > > switching to 3D halfway through shooting a movie. You end up in >> >>> > > wonderland. >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Why j602 pulls my cart so well boils down to jwd. My professional >> >>> > > life >> >>> > > has been gui since the 80s and I've never known such a minimalist >> >>> > > interface. It's the kalashnikov of the gui battlefront: nothing to go >> >>> > > wrong. And when it does you can fix it with a screwdriver. I can >> >>> > > develop an app on the Mac and it works first time, and keeps on >> >>> > > working, and I never have to touch it again. And it runs on >> >>> > > Windows... >> >>> > > 2000, XP _and_ Vista... and keeps running when VB and V-whatever have >> >>> > > packed up and gone awol. (Yes - I have the case-studies.) I shall be >> >>> > > very, Very sorry to lose that capability when the time comes to >> >>> > > relegate j602 to the basement of my hard-drive. >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Does anyone know another app development system that can do that -- >> >>> > > and you can start using it effectively in an evening? (...the gui, I >> >>> > > mean, not the language :-) And doesn't cost $000s or is only good for >> >>> > > screen-savers? Please tell me: I collect them. >> >>> > > >> >>> > > It really pains me to be pushing jwd way beyond its provenance -- on >> >>> > > a >> >>> > > less-used platform -- just when everyone who knows it better than I >> >>> > > do >> >>> > > is preoccupied with putting the finishing touches on a shiny new >> >>> > > replacement. And - yes, I have tried j701 (both jhs and gtk) and - >> >>> > > yes, it's fab. It will serve my needs most satisfyingly in 2012. >> >>> > > >> >>> > > I can hear people thinking. Why develop on the Mac and port to >> >>> > > Windows? Because nuts-and-bolts don't trip you up when you're in full >> >>> > > creative flight. That's what the developers of Excel (formerly >> >>> > > Masterplan) knew well enough. Likewise Word, Photoshop, >> >>> > > Illustrator... >> >>> > > the list goes on. >> >>> > > >> >>> > > I absolutely and utterly loathe Windows. Plus its performing poodle: >> >>> > > VB. Which is ungrateful of me, considering it paid my wages for the >> >>> > > last 10 years of my working life. But it's sick individuals, not >> >>> > > healthy ones, that make doctors fat. >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Sorry... this should have gone out on the rant forum. >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > 2011/1/26 Björn Helgason <[email protected]>: >> >>> > > > It is always a question when making a change if you take a giant >> >>> > > > step >> >>> or >> >>> > > > many small steps. >> >>> > > > Most people can not do many gradual steps. >> >>> > > > It is more or less like stopping drinking or smoking. >> >>> > > > It is also why it is so difficult for fat people to go down in >> >>> weight. >> >>> > > > You have to eat something at least once in awhile. >> >>> > > > Step wise is not the way to go. >> >>> > > > Aim for a goal and go for it. >> >>> > > > I decided many months ago to go over to J7 and since then I hardly >> >>> open >> >>> > > J6. >> >>> > > > If I do I mostly do it to remind me of something I used to do and >> >>> > > something >> >>> > > > really specific. >> >>> > > > It was a bit hard in the beginning and mostly because J7 was moving >> >>> as >> >>> > > well. >> >>> > > > Some weeks ago J7 more or less stopped moving and increasing stuff >> >>> became >> >>> > > > available in J7. >> >>> > > > I see nothing wrong in keeping J6 and it is really excellent. >> >>> > > > I am pretty sure I would not be able to do a gradual move over. >> >>> > > > For me it is either or. >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > 2011/1/26 Ian Clark <[email protected]> >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > >> Thanks, Bill. What I suspected. >> >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> Jgtk in j701 is the final destination for the stuff I'm doing. But >> >>> to >> >>> > > >> make progress I don't want to lift both feet from the ground at >> >>> once. >> >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> Ian >> >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:49 AM, bill lam <[email protected]> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> > > >> > I guess this is mac specific that moves the title bar to the top >> >>> of >> >>> > > >> > desktop but wd does not handle it properly. jgtk in j701 should >> >>> work. >> >>> > > >> > >> >>> > > >> > Срд, 26 Янв 2011, Ian Clark писал(а): >> >>> > > >> >> How can I persuade wd to display a window without the titlebar? >> >>> > > >> >> >> >>> > > >> >> I notice that wd 'pc formid [style]' has a range of styles that >> >>> look >> >>> > > >> >> as if one of them ought to do the trick. None of them do >> >>> > > >> >> anything >> >>> on >> >>> > > >> >> the Mac. They make no change to the form that I've been able to >> >>> > > >> >> discern, in appearance or behaviour. >> >>> > > >> >> >> >>> > > >> >> Ian >> >>> > > >> >> >> >>> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> > > >> >> For information about J forums see >> >>> > > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> >>> > > >> > >> >>> > > >> > -- >> >>> > > >> > regards, >> >>> > > >> > ==================================================== >> >>> > > >> > GPG key 1024D/4434BAB3 2008-08-24 >> >>> > > >> > gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4434BAB3 >> >>> > > >> > >> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> > > >> > For information about J forums see >> >>> > > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> >>> > > >> >> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> > > >> For information about J forums see >> >>> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> >>> > > >> >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > -- >> >>> > > > Björn Helgason, Verkfræðingur >> >>> > > > Fornustekkum II >> >>> > > > 781 Hornafirði, >> >>> > > > t-póst: [email protected] >> >>> > > > gsm: +3546985532 >> >>> > > > sími: +3544781286 >> >>> > > > http://groups.google.com/group/J-Programming >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > Tæknikunnátta höndlar hið flókna, sköpunargáfa er meistari >> >>> einfaldleikans >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > góður kennari getur stigið á tær án þess að glansinn fari af skónum >> >>> > > > /|_ .-----------------------------------. >> >>> > > > ,' .\ / | Með léttri lund verður | >> >>> > > > ,--' _,' | Dagurinn í dag | >> >>> > > > / / | Enn betri en gærdagurinn | >> >>> > > > ( -. | `-----------------------------------' >> >>> > > > | ) | (\_ _/) >> >>> > > > (`-. 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(='.'=) ♖♘♗♕♔♙ >> >>> > > > `. )----' (")_(") ☃☠ >> >>> > > > >> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> > > > For information about J forums see >> >>> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> >>> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> > > For information about J forums see >> >>> > > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > -- >> >>> > Björn Helgason, Verkfræðingur >> >>> > Fornustekkum II >> >>> > 781 Hornafirði, >> >>> > t-póst: [email protected] >> >>> > gsm: +3546985532 >> >>> > sími: +3544781286 >> >>> > http://groups.google.com/group/J-Programming >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Tæknikunnátta höndlar hið flókna, sköpunargáfa er meistari >> >>> > einfaldleikans >> >>> > >> >>> > góður kennari getur stigið á tær án þess að glansinn fari af skónum >> >>> > /|_ .-----------------------------------. >> >>> > ,' .\ / | Með léttri lund verður | >> >>> > ,--' _,' | Dagurinn í dag | >> >>> > / / | Enn betri en gærdagurinn | >> >>> > ( -. | `-----------------------------------' >> >>> > | ) | (\_ _/) >> >>> > (`-. 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(='.'=) ♖♘♗♕♔♙ >> >>> > `. )----' (")_(") ☃☠ >> >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> regards, >> >>> ==================================================== >> >>> GPG key 1024D/4434BAB3 2008-08-24 >> >>> gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4434BAB3 >> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Björn Helgason, Verkfræðingur >> >> Fornustekkum II >> >> 781 Hornafirði, >> >> t-póst: [email protected] >> >> gsm: +3546985532 >> >> sími: +3544781286 >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/J-Programming >> >> >> >> >> >> Tæknikunnátta höndlar hið flókna, sköpunargáfa er meistari einfaldleikans >> >> >> >> góður kennari getur stigið á tær án þess að glansinn fari af skónum >> >> /|_ .-----------------------------------. >> >> ,' .\ / | Með léttri lund verður | >> >> ,--' _,' | Dagurinn í dag | >> >> / / | Enn betri en gærdagurinn | >> >> ( -. | `-----------------------------------' >> >> | ) | (\_ _/) >> >> (`-. 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