A large part of wd is devoted to forms, and this was supported by our own form editor. Both these would have to be radically changed for gtk, and I suspect it would be better to work on a glade interface.
Otherwise, it would be great to have the simple design of wd carried forward to gtk. On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Ian Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > In that connection, a "wd" emulator in gtk seems unavoidable. > For the sheep, not the goats. And me, in a sheepish mood. > > That's going to have to be my next project... > > > > 2011/1/28 Björn Helgason <[email protected]>: >> One thing is having everything and another is to learn how to use it. >> >> It is a much longer process of moving the users over and getting everyone up >> to speed of using this. >> >> 2011/1/27 bill lam <[email protected]> >> >>> I think most gtkide function are already implemented with the exception of >>> gui >>> debug. But I can be wrong because I seldom use gtkide. >>> >>> Чтв, 27 Янв 2011, Björn Helgason писал(а): >>> > I do agree that very many easy tools are available in J6 and many/most of >>> > them have not yet been replaced in J7. >>> > When that will happen is hard to say. >>> > It is pretty adventuresome to throw away such an excellent product like >>> J6 >>> > and jump on to something like J7. >>> > I do realize that J7 as it stands now is more of a promise than a >>> reality. >>> > I do know there is a lot more to J7 and the new environments than what I >>> am >>> > able to utilize at the moment. >>> > I also do know that as time goes by I am pretty sure that J7 has a good >>> > future and the excellent tools of J6 will be replaced. >>> > When to jump on the J7 bandwagon has to be up to anyones decisions. >>> > I do not see myself learning much of what J7 has to offer if I continue >>> > using J6. >>> > >>> > 2011/1/26 Ian Clark <[email protected]> >>> > >>> > > > It is more or less like stopping drinking or smoking. >>> > > > It is also why it is so difficult for fat people to go down in >>> weight. >>> > > > You have to eat something at least once in awhile. >>> > > > Step wise is not the way to go. >>> > > > Aim for a goal and go for it. >>> > > > I decided many months ago to go over to J7 and since then I hardly >>> open >>> > > J6. >>> > > >>> > > J602 is the horse that pulls my cart. Not the horse I ride for >>> > > therapy. To switch horses at this stage in my pet project is like >>> > > switching to 3D halfway through shooting a movie. You end up in >>> > > wonderland. >>> > > >>> > > Why j602 pulls my cart so well boils down to jwd. My professional life >>> > > has been gui since the 80s and I've never known such a minimalist >>> > > interface. It's the kalashnikov of the gui battlefront: nothing to go >>> > > wrong. And when it does you can fix it with a screwdriver. I can >>> > > develop an app on the Mac and it works first time, and keeps on >>> > > working, and I never have to touch it again. And it runs on Windows... >>> > > 2000, XP _and_ Vista... and keeps running when VB and V-whatever have >>> > > packed up and gone awol. (Yes - I have the case-studies.) I shall be >>> > > very, Very sorry to lose that capability when the time comes to >>> > > relegate j602 to the basement of my hard-drive. >>> > > >>> > > Does anyone know another app development system that can do that -- >>> > > and you can start using it effectively in an evening? (...the gui, I >>> > > mean, not the language :-) And doesn't cost $000s or is only good for >>> > > screen-savers? Please tell me: I collect them. >>> > > >>> > > It really pains me to be pushing jwd way beyond its provenance -- on a >>> > > less-used platform -- just when everyone who knows it better than I do >>> > > is preoccupied with putting the finishing touches on a shiny new >>> > > replacement. And - yes, I have tried j701 (both jhs and gtk) and - >>> > > yes, it's fab. It will serve my needs most satisfyingly in 2012. >>> > > >>> > > I can hear people thinking. Why develop on the Mac and port to >>> > > Windows? Because nuts-and-bolts don't trip you up when you're in full >>> > > creative flight. That's what the developers of Excel (formerly >>> > > Masterplan) knew well enough. Likewise Word, Photoshop, Illustrator... >>> > > the list goes on. >>> > > >>> > > I absolutely and utterly loathe Windows. Plus its performing poodle: >>> > > VB. Which is ungrateful of me, considering it paid my wages for the >>> > > last 10 years of my working life. But it's sick individuals, not >>> > > healthy ones, that make doctors fat. >>> > > >>> > > Sorry... this should have gone out on the rant forum. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > 2011/1/26 Björn Helgason <[email protected]>: >>> > > > It is always a question when making a change if you take a giant step >>> or >>> > > > many small steps. >>> > > > Most people can not do many gradual steps. >>> > > > It is more or less like stopping drinking or smoking. >>> > > > It is also why it is so difficult for fat people to go down in >>> weight. >>> > > > You have to eat something at least once in awhile. >>> > > > Step wise is not the way to go. >>> > > > Aim for a goal and go for it. >>> > > > I decided many months ago to go over to J7 and since then I hardly >>> open >>> > > J6. >>> > > > If I do I mostly do it to remind me of something I used to do and >>> > > something >>> > > > really specific. >>> > > > It was a bit hard in the beginning and mostly because J7 was moving >>> as >>> > > well. >>> > > > Some weeks ago J7 more or less stopped moving and increasing stuff >>> became >>> > > > available in J7. >>> > > > I see nothing wrong in keeping J6 and it is really excellent. >>> > > > I am pretty sure I would not be able to do a gradual move over. >>> > > > For me it is either or. >>> > > > >>> > > > 2011/1/26 Ian Clark <[email protected]> >>> > > > >>> > > >> Thanks, Bill. What I suspected. >>> > > >> >>> > > >> Jgtk in j701 is the final destination for the stuff I'm doing. But >>> to >>> > > >> make progress I don't want to lift both feet from the ground at >>> once. >>> > > >> >>> > > >> Ian >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:49 AM, bill lam <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > > >> > I guess this is mac specific that moves the title bar to the top >>> of >>> > > >> > desktop but wd does not handle it properly. jgtk in j701 should >>> work. >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > Срд, 26 Янв 2011, Ian Clark писал(а): >>> > > >> >> How can I persuade wd to display a window without the titlebar? >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> >> I notice that wd 'pc formid [style]' has a range of styles that >>> look >>> > > >> >> as if one of them ought to do the trick. None of them do anything >>> on >>> > > >> >> the Mac. They make no change to the form that I've been able to >>> > > >> >> discern, in appearance or behaviour. >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> >> Ian >>> > > >> >> >>> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > > >> >> For information about J forums see >>> > > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> > -- >>> > > >> > regards, >>> > > >> > ==================================================== >>> > > >> > GPG key 1024D/4434BAB3 2008-08-24 >>> > > >> > gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4434BAB3 >>> > > >> > >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > > >> > For information about J forums see >>> > > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >>> > > >> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > > >> For information about J forums see >>> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >>> > > >> >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > -- >>> > > > Björn Helgason, Verkfræðingur >>> > > > Fornustekkum II >>> > > > 781 Hornafirði, >>> > > > t-póst: [email protected] >>> > > > gsm: +3546985532 >>> > > > sími: +3544781286 >>> > > > http://groups.google.com/group/J-Programming >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > Tæknikunnátta höndlar hið flókna, sköpunargáfa er meistari >>> einfaldleikans >>> > > > >>> > > > góður kennari getur stigið á tær án þess að glansinn fari af skónum >>> > > > /|_ .-----------------------------------. >>> > > > ,' .\ / | Með léttri lund verður | >>> > > > ,--' _,' | Dagurinn í dag | >>> > > > / / | Enn betri en gærdagurinn | >>> > > > ( -. | `-----------------------------------' >>> > > > | ) | (\_ _/) >>> > > > (`-. 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