In that connection, a "wd" emulator in gtk seems unavoidable. For the sheep, not the goats. And me, in a sheepish mood.
That's going to have to be my next project... 2011/1/28 Björn Helgason <[email protected]>: > One thing is having everything and another is to learn how to use it. > > It is a much longer process of moving the users over and getting everyone up > to speed of using this. > > 2011/1/27 bill lam <[email protected]> > >> I think most gtkide function are already implemented with the exception of >> gui >> debug. But I can be wrong because I seldom use gtkide. >> >> Чтв, 27 Янв 2011, Björn Helgason писал(а): >> > I do agree that very many easy tools are available in J6 and many/most of >> > them have not yet been replaced in J7. >> > When that will happen is hard to say. >> > It is pretty adventuresome to throw away such an excellent product like >> J6 >> > and jump on to something like J7. >> > I do realize that J7 as it stands now is more of a promise than a >> reality. >> > I do know there is a lot more to J7 and the new environments than what I >> am >> > able to utilize at the moment. >> > I also do know that as time goes by I am pretty sure that J7 has a good >> > future and the excellent tools of J6 will be replaced. >> > When to jump on the J7 bandwagon has to be up to anyones decisions. >> > I do not see myself learning much of what J7 has to offer if I continue >> > using J6. >> > >> > 2011/1/26 Ian Clark <[email protected]> >> > >> > > > It is more or less like stopping drinking or smoking. >> > > > It is also why it is so difficult for fat people to go down in >> weight. >> > > > You have to eat something at least once in awhile. >> > > > Step wise is not the way to go. >> > > > Aim for a goal and go for it. >> > > > I decided many months ago to go over to J7 and since then I hardly >> open >> > > J6. >> > > >> > > J602 is the horse that pulls my cart. Not the horse I ride for >> > > therapy. To switch horses at this stage in my pet project is like >> > > switching to 3D halfway through shooting a movie. You end up in >> > > wonderland. >> > > >> > > Why j602 pulls my cart so well boils down to jwd. My professional life >> > > has been gui since the 80s and I've never known such a minimalist >> > > interface. It's the kalashnikov of the gui battlefront: nothing to go >> > > wrong. And when it does you can fix it with a screwdriver. I can >> > > develop an app on the Mac and it works first time, and keeps on >> > > working, and I never have to touch it again. And it runs on Windows... >> > > 2000, XP _and_ Vista... and keeps running when VB and V-whatever have >> > > packed up and gone awol. (Yes - I have the case-studies.) I shall be >> > > very, Very sorry to lose that capability when the time comes to >> > > relegate j602 to the basement of my hard-drive. >> > > >> > > Does anyone know another app development system that can do that -- >> > > and you can start using it effectively in an evening? (...the gui, I >> > > mean, not the language :-) And doesn't cost $000s or is only good for >> > > screen-savers? Please tell me: I collect them. >> > > >> > > It really pains me to be pushing jwd way beyond its provenance -- on a >> > > less-used platform -- just when everyone who knows it better than I do >> > > is preoccupied with putting the finishing touches on a shiny new >> > > replacement. And - yes, I have tried j701 (both jhs and gtk) and - >> > > yes, it's fab. It will serve my needs most satisfyingly in 2012. >> > > >> > > I can hear people thinking. Why develop on the Mac and port to >> > > Windows? Because nuts-and-bolts don't trip you up when you're in full >> > > creative flight. That's what the developers of Excel (formerly >> > > Masterplan) knew well enough. Likewise Word, Photoshop, Illustrator... >> > > the list goes on. >> > > >> > > I absolutely and utterly loathe Windows. Plus its performing poodle: >> > > VB. Which is ungrateful of me, considering it paid my wages for the >> > > last 10 years of my working life. But it's sick individuals, not >> > > healthy ones, that make doctors fat. >> > > >> > > Sorry... this should have gone out on the rant forum. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > 2011/1/26 Björn Helgason <[email protected]>: >> > > > It is always a question when making a change if you take a giant step >> or >> > > > many small steps. >> > > > Most people can not do many gradual steps. >> > > > It is more or less like stopping drinking or smoking. >> > > > It is also why it is so difficult for fat people to go down in >> weight. >> > > > You have to eat something at least once in awhile. >> > > > Step wise is not the way to go. >> > > > Aim for a goal and go for it. >> > > > I decided many months ago to go over to J7 and since then I hardly >> open >> > > J6. >> > > > If I do I mostly do it to remind me of something I used to do and >> > > something >> > > > really specific. >> > > > It was a bit hard in the beginning and mostly because J7 was moving >> as >> > > well. >> > > > Some weeks ago J7 more or less stopped moving and increasing stuff >> became >> > > > available in J7. >> > > > I see nothing wrong in keeping J6 and it is really excellent. >> > > > I am pretty sure I would not be able to do a gradual move over. >> > > > For me it is either or. >> > > > >> > > > 2011/1/26 Ian Clark <[email protected]> >> > > > >> > > >> Thanks, Bill. What I suspected. >> > > >> >> > > >> Jgtk in j701 is the final destination for the stuff I'm doing. But >> to >> > > >> make progress I don't want to lift both feet from the ground at >> once. >> > > >> >> > > >> Ian >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:49 AM, bill lam <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > >> > I guess this is mac specific that moves the title bar to the top >> of >> > > >> > desktop but wd does not handle it properly. jgtk in j701 should >> work. >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Срд, 26 Янв 2011, Ian Clark писал(а): >> > > >> >> How can I persuade wd to display a window without the titlebar? >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> I notice that wd 'pc formid [style]' has a range of styles that >> look >> > > >> >> as if one of them ought to do the trick. None of them do anything >> on >> > > >> >> the Mac. They make no change to the form that I've been able to >> > > >> >> discern, in appearance or behaviour. >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> Ian >> > > >> >> >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > >> >> For information about J forums see >> > > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> > > >> > >> > > >> > -- >> > > >> > regards, >> > > >> > ==================================================== >> > > >> > GPG key 1024D/4434BAB3 2008-08-24 >> > > >> > gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4434BAB3 >> > > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > >> > For information about J forums see >> > > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> > > >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > >> For information about J forums see >> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > Björn Helgason, Verkfræðingur >> > > > Fornustekkum II >> > > > 781 Hornafirði, >> > > > t-póst: [email protected] >> > > > gsm: +3546985532 >> > > > sími: +3544781286 >> > > > http://groups.google.com/group/J-Programming >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Tæknikunnátta höndlar hið flókna, sköpunargáfa er meistari >> einfaldleikans >> > > > >> > > > góður kennari getur stigið á tær án þess að glansinn fari af skónum >> > > > /|_ .-----------------------------------. >> > > > ,' .\ / | Með léttri lund verður | >> > > > ,--' _,' | Dagurinn í dag | >> > > > / / | Enn betri en gærdagurinn | >> > > > ( -. | `-----------------------------------' >> > > > | ) | (\_ _/) >> > > > (`-. 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