One thing is having everything and another is to learn how to use it. It is a much longer process of moving the users over and getting everyone up to speed of using this.
2011/1/27 bill lam <[email protected]> > I think most gtkide function are already implemented with the exception of > gui > debug. But I can be wrong because I seldom use gtkide. > > Чтв, 27 Янв 2011, Björn Helgason писал(а): > > I do agree that very many easy tools are available in J6 and many/most of > > them have not yet been replaced in J7. > > When that will happen is hard to say. > > It is pretty adventuresome to throw away such an excellent product like > J6 > > and jump on to something like J7. > > I do realize that J7 as it stands now is more of a promise than a > reality. > > I do know there is a lot more to J7 and the new environments than what I > am > > able to utilize at the moment. > > I also do know that as time goes by I am pretty sure that J7 has a good > > future and the excellent tools of J6 will be replaced. > > When to jump on the J7 bandwagon has to be up to anyones decisions. > > I do not see myself learning much of what J7 has to offer if I continue > > using J6. > > > > 2011/1/26 Ian Clark <[email protected]> > > > > > > It is more or less like stopping drinking or smoking. > > > > It is also why it is so difficult for fat people to go down in > weight. > > > > You have to eat something at least once in awhile. > > > > Step wise is not the way to go. > > > > Aim for a goal and go for it. > > > > I decided many months ago to go over to J7 and since then I hardly > open > > > J6. > > > > > > J602 is the horse that pulls my cart. Not the horse I ride for > > > therapy. To switch horses at this stage in my pet project is like > > > switching to 3D halfway through shooting a movie. You end up in > > > wonderland. > > > > > > Why j602 pulls my cart so well boils down to jwd. My professional life > > > has been gui since the 80s and I've never known such a minimalist > > > interface. It's the kalashnikov of the gui battlefront: nothing to go > > > wrong. And when it does you can fix it with a screwdriver. I can > > > develop an app on the Mac and it works first time, and keeps on > > > working, and I never have to touch it again. And it runs on Windows... > > > 2000, XP _and_ Vista... and keeps running when VB and V-whatever have > > > packed up and gone awol. (Yes - I have the case-studies.) I shall be > > > very, Very sorry to lose that capability when the time comes to > > > relegate j602 to the basement of my hard-drive. > > > > > > Does anyone know another app development system that can do that -- > > > and you can start using it effectively in an evening? (...the gui, I > > > mean, not the language :-) And doesn't cost $000s or is only good for > > > screen-savers? Please tell me: I collect them. > > > > > > It really pains me to be pushing jwd way beyond its provenance -- on a > > > less-used platform -- just when everyone who knows it better than I do > > > is preoccupied with putting the finishing touches on a shiny new > > > replacement. And - yes, I have tried j701 (both jhs and gtk) and - > > > yes, it's fab. It will serve my needs most satisfyingly in 2012. > > > > > > I can hear people thinking. Why develop on the Mac and port to > > > Windows? Because nuts-and-bolts don't trip you up when you're in full > > > creative flight. That's what the developers of Excel (formerly > > > Masterplan) knew well enough. Likewise Word, Photoshop, Illustrator... > > > the list goes on. > > > > > > I absolutely and utterly loathe Windows. Plus its performing poodle: > > > VB. Which is ungrateful of me, considering it paid my wages for the > > > last 10 years of my working life. But it's sick individuals, not > > > healthy ones, that make doctors fat. > > > > > > Sorry... this should have gone out on the rant forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2011/1/26 Björn Helgason <[email protected]>: > > > > It is always a question when making a change if you take a giant step > or > > > > many small steps. > > > > Most people can not do many gradual steps. > > > > It is more or less like stopping drinking or smoking. > > > > It is also why it is so difficult for fat people to go down in > weight. > > > > You have to eat something at least once in awhile. > > > > Step wise is not the way to go. > > > > Aim for a goal and go for it. > > > > I decided many months ago to go over to J7 and since then I hardly > open > > > J6. > > > > If I do I mostly do it to remind me of something I used to do and > > > something > > > > really specific. > > > > It was a bit hard in the beginning and mostly because J7 was moving > as > > > well. > > > > Some weeks ago J7 more or less stopped moving and increasing stuff > became > > > > available in J7. > > > > I see nothing wrong in keeping J6 and it is really excellent. > > > > I am pretty sure I would not be able to do a gradual move over. > > > > For me it is either or. > > > > > > > > 2011/1/26 Ian Clark <[email protected]> > > > > > > > >> Thanks, Bill. What I suspected. > > > >> > > > >> Jgtk in j701 is the final destination for the stuff I'm doing. But > to > > > >> make progress I don't want to lift both feet from the ground at > once. > > > >> > > > >> Ian > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:49 AM, bill lam <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> > I guess this is mac specific that moves the title bar to the top > of > > > >> > desktop but wd does not handle it properly. jgtk in j701 should > work. > > > >> > > > > >> > Срд, 26 Янв 2011, Ian Clark писал(а): > > > >> >> How can I persuade wd to display a window without the titlebar? > > > >> >> > > > >> >> I notice that wd 'pc formid [style]' has a range of styles that > look > > > >> >> as if one of them ought to do the trick. None of them do anything > on > > > >> >> the Mac. They make no change to the form that I've been able to > > > >> >> discern, in appearance or behaviour. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Ian > > > >> >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> >> For information about J forums see > > > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > >> > > > > >> > -- > > > >> > regards, > > > >> > ==================================================== > > > >> > GPG key 1024D/4434BAB3 2008-08-24 > > > >> > gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4434BAB3 > > > >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> > For information about J forums see > > > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> For information about J forums see > http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Björn Helgason, Verkfræðingur > > > > Fornustekkum II > > > > 781 Hornafirði, > > > > t-póst: [email protected] > > > > gsm: +3546985532 > > > > sími: +3544781286 > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/J-Programming > > > > > > > > > > > > Tæknikunnátta höndlar hið flókna, sköpunargáfa er meistari > einfaldleikans > > > > > > > > góður kennari getur stigið á tær án þess að glansinn fari af skónum > > > > /|_ .-----------------------------------. > > > > ,' .\ / | Með léttri lund verður | > > > > ,--' _,' | Dagurinn í dag | > > > > / / | Enn betri en gærdagurinn | > > > > ( -. | `-----------------------------------' > > > > | ) | (\_ _/) > > > > (`-. 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