Rasul/Nabi. Dan itu sudah dilaksanakan. Jadi kamu tak perlu cape2 memperbaaikinyaa lagi; hanya saja gak usah kamu komentarin sebagai NGEMBAT ! Itu kurang baik, tem. Biasa2 aajalah. napa sih sok ekstrim gitu ?
--- On Fri, 25/5/12, item abu <[email protected]> wrote: From: item abu <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Utang kita Rp2.200.000.000.000.000 To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Received: Friday, 25 May, 2012, 9:50 PM Itu sih bukan aturan dr auloh, auloh bilang duit zakat itu unt yg ngurus zakat antara lain. Ga ada ketentuan dr auloh brp persennya. Emangnya hukum auloh itu hrs diperbaiki dgn ngasih tambahan2? Siapa yg berhak ngasih tambahan2 tsb? >________________________________ > From: Abbas Amin <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 6:46 AM >Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Utang kita Rp2.200.000.000.000.000 > > > >semua ada aturannya. Kalau ngambilmelebihi ketentuan; itu namanya GASAB; arti >gasab mengambil yang bukan haknya. Artinya nyolong > >--- On Thu, 24/5/12, item abu <[email protected]> wrote: > >From: item abu <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Utang kita Rp2.200.000.000.000.000 >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >Received: Thursday, 24 May, 2012, 7:52 PM > > > >Zakat itu adalah unt yg ngurus zakat antara lain. Mau lu sebut dpt bagian atau >kagak, pokoknya yg ngurus zakat bisa make duit zakat unt keperluannya sendiri. > >Lu boleh bilang dpt bagian, gua bilang ngembat. Prakteknya kan sama aja, >duitnya dipake oleh yg ngurus zakat. > >auloh ga bilang berapa persen yg bisa dipake pengurus zakat, jadi kalo dia >nilep 80% misalnya, itu tetap ga ngelanggar hukum auloh, 80% itu adalah bagian >dr pengurus zakat, hehehe... > >Bukan korupsi? Dr awal jg gua udah bilang kalo duit zakat diembat pengurus >zakat, itu bukan korupsi. > >>________________________________ > >> From: Abbas Amin <[email protected]> > >>To: [email protected] > >>Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:23 PM > >>Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Utang kita Rp2.200.000.000.000.000 > >> > >> > >> > >>Logika elo udah nyasar ! Mana ada ngembat zakat dibolehkan ? > >>Tapi Amil pelaksana mendapat BAGIAN ! Bukan ngembat ! > >>Dasar Debil ! Sekali item idiot abu; tetap saja abu idiot item ! > >> > >>--- On Thu, 24/5/12, item abu <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>From: item abu <[email protected]> > >>Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Utang kita Rp2.200.000.000.000.000 > >>To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > >>Received: Thursday, 24 May, 2012, 11:00 AM > >> > >> > >> > >>auloh bilang halal tuh pengelola duit zakat ngembat duit zakatnya, jadi itu >>bukan korupsi. > >> > >>>________________________________ > >> > >>> From: Abbas Amin <[email protected]> > >> > >>>To: [email protected] > >> > >>>Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:29 AM > >> > >>>Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Utang kita Rp2.200.000.000.000.000 > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>Korupsi Haram hukumnya. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>--- On Thu, 24/5/12, item abu <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> > >> > >>>From: item abu <[email protected]> > >> > >>>Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Utang kita Rp2.200.000.000.000.000 > >> > >>>To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > >> > >>>Received: Thursday, 24 May, 2012, 12:10 AM > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>Jadi auloh ngehalalin korupsi, hehehe... > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>________________________________ > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> From: Abbas Amin <[email protected]> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>To: [email protected] > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 7:55 AM > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Utang kita Rp2.200.000.000.000.000 > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>yang namanya ngembat, ya korupsi lah. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>--- On Tue, 22/5/12, item abu <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>From: item abu <[email protected]> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Utang kita Rp2.200.000.000.000.000 > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>Received: Tuesday, 22 May, 2012, 9:06 PM > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>auloh bilang halal tuh pengelola duit zakat ngembat duit zakatnya, jadi itu >>>>bukan korupsi. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>________________________________ > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> From: Bukan Pedanda <[email protected]> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>To: [email protected] > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:41 PM > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>Subject: [proletar] Re: Utang kita Rp2.200.000.000.000.000 > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>Dan Departemen Agama yang menterinya orang Islam termasuk yang paling >>>>>korup.. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>Nggak heran, nabi babi Muhammad junjungan dan panutan orang Islam itu >>>>>adalah juga kepala gerombolan perampok dan penyamun, sedangkan allah yang >>>>>disembah orang Islam yagn dungu-dungu kayak babi itu adalah Penipu Akbar.. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>Nggk heran pula bahwa orang Islam disini juga adalah bangsat pendusta dan >>>>>bajingan tukang fitnah. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>--- In [email protected], Abbas Amin <abas_amin08@...> wrote: > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> Yang gemuk2 adalah Penguasa Negara; yaitu MAFIA perampok kekayaan Negara. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> Dan itu didapat dari HUTANG LN; sedangkan seluruh rakyat yang sangt >>>>>> keremepeng2 harus menanggunbg beban hutang . Maka wajarlah kalau NKRI >>>>>> hutaangnya makin menggunung. Saat kita nulis entah berapa juta USD lagi >>>>>> tambahan hutang kita !? > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> --- On Wed, 23/5/12, Sunny <ambon@...> wrote: > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> From: Sunny <ambon@...> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> Subject: [proletar] Utang kita Rp2.200.000.000.000.000 > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> To: Undisclosed-Recipient@... > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> Received: Wednesday, 23 May, 2012, 11:36 AM > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> Â > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> Ref: Saya kira kalau orang yang banyak hutangnya akan sulit >>>>>> bergerak leluasa semaunya, karena pendapatannya terbatas dan dikekam >>>>>> oleh hutang yang dipukul. Mungkin sekali masalahnya berlaku bagi negara >>>>>> yang banyak hutangnya, apalagi rezim berkuasanya terdiri dari kaum >>>>>> maling dan tukang copet, jadi kalau begitu misalnya penguasa rezim NKRI >>>>>> berkaok-kaok pembangunan, entah pembangunan apa, dimana dan untuk yang >>>>>> diperuntukan. Jelas halnya ialah para pemberi pinjaman akan menuntut >>>>>> fasilitas-fasilitas yang memberikan mereka posisi lebih kuat dari >>>>>> peminjam. Bukankah begitu situasinya? > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> Bagaimana pendapat Anda tentang hutang yang bertumpuk-tumpuk ini? > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> http://www.harianterbit.com/artikel/fokus/artikel.php?aid=151069 > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> Utang kita Rp2.200.000.000.000.000 > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> Tanggal : 21 May 2012 > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> Sumber : Harian Terbit > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> JAKARTA - Utang luar negeri terus menggunung lebih dari 200 miliar dolar >>>>>> Amerika Serikat. Anehnya, utang negara begitu gede, tetapi rakyatnya >>>>>> semakin miskin. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> Pengamat ekonomi MRI Research M. Rizal Ismail, mengatakan kondisi utang >>>>>> luar negeri Indonesia sangat memprihatinkan kelangsungan bangsa >>>>>> Indonesia. Bahkan telah menunjukan pada titik rawan karena sudah >>>>>> tergantung kepada luar negeri. "Pemerintah dan Presiden SBY sudah >>>>>> mengeluarkan kebijakan yang salah dengan cara utang keluar negeri,"kata >>>>>> Rizal kepada Harian Terbit, Senin (21/5). > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> Bahkan, katanya, pemerintah telah mengajarkan hidup konsumtif kepada >>>>>> rakyatnya de-ngan jalan-jalan keluar negeri atau selalu menawarkan >>>>>> produk luar negeri. Banyak barang-barang impor dari luar negeri masuk ke >>>>>> Indonesia. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> "Jika sudah banyak barang yang masuk, tentu saja menimbulkan keinginan >>>>>> masyarakat untuk berbelanja. Namun sayangnya, kemampuan rakyat untuk >>>>>> membeli barang-barang sangat minim, sehingga mengharuskan untuk utang. >>>>>> Utang rakyat makin menumpuk, utang pemerintah ke luar negeri pun semakin >>>>>> banyak," tegasnya. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> Sayangnya lagi, menurut Rizal, utang luar negeri itu disinyalir >>>>>> dikorupsi oleh pejabat-pejabat negara lewat proyek APBN dan APBD. >>>>>> Sepertinya, para menteri-menteri yang sekarang merupakan titipan luar >>>>>> negeri, sehingga Indonesia telah dikendalikan oleh negara barat. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> "Rakyat saat ini merasa tidak mempunyai pemimpin. Mereka merasa hidup >>>>>> sendiri. Sengsara sendiri, semakin banyak yang miskin. Keinginan rakyat >>>>>> tak pernah dipenuhi oleh pemerintah dan bahkan para elit politik telah >>>>>> memperkaya diri sendiri, keluarganya dan kepentingan diri sendiri," >>>>>> ucapnya. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> Pertumbuhan ekonomi > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> Berdasarkan data Bank Indonesia (BI), katanya, pada 2006 total utang >>>>>> luar negeri Indonesia sebesar 132,63 miliar dolar AS. Sedangkan pada >>>>>> 2011 telah menjadi 221,60 miliar dolar AS atau sekitar Rp2,2 biliun. >>>>>> Utang luar negeri pada 2011 didominasi oleh utang luar negeri dari >>>>>> pemerintah dan bank sentral yang berjumlah 119,56 miliar dolar AS. >>>>>> Sementara utang swasta sebesar 102,04 miliar dolar AS. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> Menurutnya, besarnya jumlah utang pemerintah tersebut ternyata tidak >>>>>> menunjukkan korelasi signifikan terhadap kualitas pertumbuhan ekonomi. >>>>>> Indikatornnya ditunjukkan oleh perbaikan kualitas pelayanan dasar kepada >>>>>> masyarakat, seperti ketersediaan infrastruktur (energi dan >>>>>> transportasi), pendidikan maupun kesehatan. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> Posisi Indeks Pembangunan Manusia (IPM) Indonesia masih juga lebih >>>>>> rendah dibanding Thailand dan Malaysia. Begitu juga dengan daya saing >>>>>> dan kemudahan melakukan usaha (doing business) yang juga masih lebih >>>>>> rendah dibanding negara-negara tersebut. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> "Salah satu penyebabnya, karena utang luar negeri Indonesia kebanyakan >>>>>> dipergunakan untuk sektor keuangan diban-ding untuk sektor ekonomi >>>>>> riil," tandasnya. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> Sementara itu menurut anggota Komisi XI DPR Arif Budimanta kebijakan >>>>>> utang luar negeri pemerintah saat ini dinilai dalam posisi rawan. >>>>>> Terutama di tengah kondisi ancaman menghadapi krisis keuangan global. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>>>>> Menurut dia, sudah saatnya pemerintah melakukan perubahan fundamental >>>>>> pada kebijakan utang. Hal ini harus dilakukan secara keselurahan yang >>>>>> dapat dimulai dari proses penyusunan nota keuangan pada rancangan >>>>>> anggaran pendapatan dan belanja negara (RAPBN) 2013. 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