Jadi nurut lu ga bejad ngembat anak 9 thn. 

Dgn begitu, lu jg gpp ngembat anak 9 thn krn nabi lu itu hrs lu jadikan suri 
tauladan, bukan?





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> From: Abbas <[email protected]>
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>Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 4:31 PM
>Subject: [proletar] Re: Our Mother A'isha's Age At The Time Of Her Marriage to 
>The Prophet
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>Tidak usah ditutupin. Itu bukan perbuatan bejat! Saksinya bapaknya Abubakar, 
>dan seluruh orang Islam !
>Kalau seluruh komunitas menyatakan itu sah ! Tiada kebejatan. Hanya saja kaaum 
>anti Islam urusannya digede gedein. Karena tak ada lain selain sasarannya 
>ingin MENGHUJAT islam. Merubah pandaangan MUSLIM !???
>Hahahaha manusia anti islam semuanya rata2 GOUBLOKKK !!! Nyaris IDIOT dan 
>Debil semua. Mana mampu merubah pandangan ?
>Mereka pun semuanya TUKANG CATUT ! mencatut nama ILMUWAN dan disalurkan 
>menjadi anti Islam.
>Padahal para Ilmuwan Netral semua.
>Anti Islam; walau bagaimanapun akan tetap menyebut islam suaaaaangaaaat jelek !
>Jadi yaa gak aneh gak heran lah kalau kerjaan mereka sehari hari disini hanya 
>buang2 tempo tiada arti; hanya untuk memaki maki Islam !
>kasiaaaan memang. Otak dan pikirannya telah dipenuhi dendam kesumat !!!!
>Memang seharusnya kita kasiaaan kepada mereka anti islam.
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>--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hehehe... orang Islam mau nutupin perbuatan nabinya ngembat anak ingusan 9 
>> thn dgn ngibul. Jadi mereka mau nutupin kebejadan dgn kebejadan lain.
>> �
>> http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=4604&CATE=1
>> �
>> Question ID:4604
>> Date Published: July 03, 2005 
>> Our Mother A'isha's Age At The Time Of Her Marriage to The Prophet
>> Answered by Shaykh Gibril F Haddad 
>> �
>> Question:
>> To begin with, I think it is the responsibility of all  those who believe 
>> that marrying a girl as young as nine years old was an  accepted norm of the 
>> Arab culture, to provide at least a few examples to  substantiate their 
>> point of view. I have not yet been able to find a single  dependable 
>> instance in the books of Arab history where a girl as young as  nine years 
>> old was given away in marriage. Unless such examples are given,  we do not 
>> have any reasonable grounds to believe that it really was an  accepted norm. 
>> �
>> Answer:
>> �
>> In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful, 
>> �
>> - Abu Tughlub ibn Hamdan married the daughter of `Izz al-Dawla Bakhtyar when 
>> she was three and paid a dowry of 100,000 dinars. This took place in Safar 
>> 360 
>> H. (Ibn al-Athir, al-Kamil). 
>> �
>> - Al-Shafi`i in al-Umm reported that he saw countless examples of nine-year 
>> old pubescent girls in Yemen. Al-Bayhaqi also narrates it from him in the 
>> Sunan 
>> al-Kubra as does al-Dhahabi in the Siyar. 
>> �
>> - Al-Bayhaqi narrated with his chains in his Sunan al-Kubra no less than 
>> three examples of Muslim wives that gave birth at age nine or ten. 
>> �
>> - Hisham ibn `Urwa himself (whom the objector claims to know enough to 
>> forward the most barefaced judgments on his reliability) married Fatima bint 
>> al-Mundhir when she was nine years old (al-Muntazam and Tarikh Baghdad). 
>> �
>> - Our liege-lord `Umar married Umm Kulthum the daughter of `Ali and Fatima 
>> at 
>> a similar age per `Abd al-Razzaq, Ibn `Abd al-Barr and others. 
>> �
>> - And our Mother `Aisha herself was first almost betrothed to Jubayr ibn 
>> Mut`im before her father dropped that option when he received word from the 
>> Messenger of Allah, Allah bless and greet him and be well-pleased with them. 
>> �
>> In my opinion, the age of Ayesha (ra) has been grossly 
>> mis-reported in the ahadith. Not only that, I think that the narratives 
>> reporting this event are not only highly unreliable, but also that on the 
>> basis 
>> of other historical data, the event reported, is quite an unlikely 
>> happening. 
>> Let us look at the issue from an objective stand point. My reservations in 
>> accepting the narratives, on the basis of which, Ayesha's (ra) age at the 
>> time 
>> of her marriage with the Prophet (pbuh) is held to be nine years are: Most 
>> of 
>> these narratives are reported only by Hisham ibn `Urwah, reporting on the 
>> authority of his father. An event as well known as the one being reported, 
>> should logically have been reported by more people than just one, two or 
>> three. 
>> �
>> Try more than eleven authorities among the Tabi`in that reported it directly 
>> from `A'isha, not counting the other major Companions that reported the 
>> same, 
>> nor other major Successors that reported it from other than `A'isha. 
>> �
>> It is quite strange that no one from Medinah, where 
>> Hisham ibn `Urwah lived the first seventy one years of his life has narrated 
>> the 
>> event, even though in Medinah his pupils included people as well known as 
>> Malik 
>> ibn Anas. 
>> �
>> Not so. Al-Zuhri also reports it from `Urwa, from `A'isha; so does `Abd 
>> Allah 
>> ibn Dhakwan, both major Madanis. So is the Tabi`i Yahya al-Lakhmi who 
>> reports it 
>> from her in the Musnad and in Ibn Sa`d's Tabaqat. So is Abu Ishaq Sa`d ibn 
>> Ibrahim who reports it from Imam al-Qasim ibn Muhammad, one of the Seven 
>> Imams 
>> of Madina, from `A'isha. All the narratives of this event have been reported 
>> �
>> Nor by narrators from Iraq, where Hisham is reported 
>> to have had shifted after living in Medinah for seventy one years. 
>> �
>> Not so. In addition to the above four Madinese Tabi`in narrators, Sufyan ibn 
>> `Uyayna from Khurasan and `Abd Allah ibn Muhammad ibn Yahya from Tabarayya 
>> in 
>> Palestine both report it. 
>> �
>> Nor was this hadith reported only by `Urwa but also by `Abd al-Malik ibn 
>> `Umayr, al-Aswad, Ibn Abi Mulayka, Abu Salama ibn `Abd al-Rahman ibn `Awf, 
>> Yahya 
>> ibn `Abd al-Rahman ibn Hatib, Abu `Ubayda (`Amir ibn `Abd Allah ibn Mas`ud) 
>> and 
>> others of the Tabi`i Imams directly from `A'isha. 
>> �
>> This makes the report mass-transmitted (mutawatir) from `A'isha by over 
>> eleven authorities among the Tabi`in, not counting the other major 
>> Companions 
>> that reported the same, such as Ibn Mas`ud nor other major Successors that 
>> reported it from other than `A'isha, such as Qatada! 
>> �
>> Tehzibu'l-tehzib, one of the most well known books on 
>> the life and reliability of the narrators of the traditions of the Prophet 
>> (pbuh), reports that according to Yaqub ibn Shaibah: "narratives reported by 
>> Hisham are reliable except those that are reported through the people of 
>> Iraq". 
>> It further states that Malik ibn Anas objected on those narratives of Hisham 
>> which were reported through people of Iraq. (vol11, pg 48 - 51) 
>> �
>> Rather, Ya`qub said: "Trustworthy, thoroughly reliable (thiqa thabt), above 
>> reproach except after he went to Iraq, at which time he narrated overly from 
>> his 
>> father and was criticized for it." Notice that Ya`qub does not exactly 
>> endorse 
>> that criticism. 
>> �
>> As for Malik, he reports over 100 hadiths from Hisham as is evident in the 
>> two Sahihs and Sunan! to the point that al-Dhahabi questions the 
>> authenticity of 
>> his alleged criticism of Hisham. 
>> �
>> Indeed, none among the hadith Masters endorsed these reservations since they 
>> were based solely on the fact that Hisham in his last period (he was 71 at 
>> the 
>> time of his last trip to Iraq), for the sake of brevity, would say, "My 
>> father, 
>> from `A'isha? (abi `an `A'isha)" and no longer pronounced, "narrated to me 
>> (haddathani)". 
>> �
>> Al-Mizzi in Tahdhib al-Kamal (30:238) explained that it became a foregone 
>> conclusion for the Iraqis that Hisham did not narrate anything 
>> from his father except what he had heard directly from him. 
>> �
>> Ibn Hajar also dismisses the objections against Hisham ibn `Urwa as 
>> negligible in Tahdhib al-Tahdhib (11:45), saying: "It was clear enough to 
>> the 
>> Iraqis that he did not narrate from his father other than what he had heard 
>> directly from him". 
>> �
>> In fact, to say that "narratives reported by Hisham ibn `Urwa are reliable 
>> except those that are reported through the people of Iraq" is major nonsense 
>> as 
>> that would eliminate all narrations of Ayyub al-Sakhtyani from him since 
>> Ayyub 
>> was a Basran Iraqi, and those of Abu `Umar al-Nakha`i who was from Kufa, and 
>> those of Hammad ibn Abi Sulayman from Kufa (the Shaykh of Abu Hanifa), and 
>> those 
>> of Hammad ibn Salama and Hammad ibn Zayd both from Basra, and those of 
>> Sufyan 
>> al-Thawri from Basra, and those of Shu`ba in Basra, all of whom narrated 
>> from 
>> Hisham! 
>> �
>> Mizanu'l-ai`tidal, another book on the narrators of 
>> the traditions of the Prophet (pbuh) reports that when he was old, Hisham's 
>> memory suffered quite badly. (vol 4, pg 301 - 302) 
>> �
>> An outright lie, on the contrary, al-Dhahabi in Mizan al-I`tidal (4:301 
>> #9233) states: "Hisham ibn `Urwa, one of the eminent personalities. A Proof 
>> in 
>> himself, and an Imam. However, in his old age his memory diminished, but he 
>> certainly never became confused. Nor should any attention be paid to what 
>> Abu 
>> al-Hasan ibn al-Qattan said about him and Suhayl ibn Abi Salih becoming 
>> confused 
>> or changing! Yes, the man changed a little bit and his memory was not the 
>> same 
>> as it had been in his younger days, so that he forgot some of what he had 
>> memorized or lapsed, so what? Is he immune to forgetfulness? [p. 302] And 
>> when 
>> he came to Iraq in the last part of his life he narrated a great amount of 
>> knowledge, in the course of which are a few narrations in which he did not 
>> excel, and such as occurs also to Malik, and Shu`ba, and Waki`, and the 
>> major 
>> trustworthy masters. So spare yourself confusion and floundering, do not 
>> make 
>> mix the firmly-established Imams with the weak and muddled narrators. Hisham 
>> is 
>> a Shaykh al-Islam. But may Allah console us well of you, O Ibn al-Qattan, 
>> and 
>> the same with regard to `Abd al-Rahman ibn Khirash's statement from Malik!" 
>> �
>> According to the generally accepted tradition, Ayesha 
>> (ra) was born about eight years before Hijra. But according to another 
>> narrative 
>> in Bukhari (kitabu'l-tafseer) Ayesha (ra) is reported to have said that at 
>> the 
>> time Surah Al-Qamar, the 54th chapter of the Qur'an, was revealed, "I was a 
>> young girl". The 54th surah of the Qur'an was revealed nine years before 
>> Hijra. 
>> �
>> Not true. The hadith Masters, Sira historians, and Qur'anic commentators 
>> agree that the splitting of the moon took place about five years before the 
>> Holy 
>> Prophet's (upon him blessings and peace) Hijra to Madina. 
>> �
>> Thus it is confirmed that our Mother `Aisha was born between seven and eight 
>> years before the Hijra and the words that she was a jariya or little girl 
>> five 
>> years before the Hijra match the fact that her age at the time Surat 
>> al-Qamar 
>> was revealed was around 2 or 3. 
>> �
>> According to this tradition, Ayesha (ra) had not only 
>> been born before the revelation of the referred surah, but was actually a 
>> young 
>> girl (jariyah), not an infant (sibyah) at that time. Obviously, if this 
>> narrative is held to be true, it is in clear contradiction with the 
>> narratives 
>> reported by Hisham ibn `Urwah. I see absolutely no reason that after the 
>> comments of the experts on the narratives of Hisham ibn `Urwah, why we 
>> should 
>> not accept this narrative to be more accurate. 
>> �
>> A two year old is not an infant. A two year old is able to run around, which 
>> is what jariya means. As for "the comments of the experts" they concur on 6 
>> or 7 
>> as the age of marriage and 9 as the age of cohabitation. 
>> �
>> According to a number of narratives, Ayesha (ra) 
>> accompanied the Muslims in the battle of Badr and Uhud. Furthermore, it is 
>> also 
>> reported in books of hadith and history that no one under the age of 15 
>> years 
>> was allowed to take part in the battle of Uhud. All the boys below 15 years 
>> of 
>> age were sent back. Ayesha's (ra) participation in the battle of Badr and 
>> Uhud 
>> clearly indicate that she was not nine or ten years old at that time. After 
>> all, 
>> women used to accompany men to the battle fields to help them, not to be a 
>> burden on them. 
>> �
>> First, the prohibition applied to combatants. It applied neither to 
>> non-combatant boys nor to non-combatant girls and women. Second, `A'isha did 
>> not 
>> participate in Badr at all but bade farewell to the combatants as they were 
>> leaving Madina, as narrated by Muslim in his Sahih. On the day of Uhud (year 
>> 3), 
>> Anas, at the time only twelve or thirteen years old, reports seeing an 
>> eleven-year old `A'isha and his mother Umm Sulaym having tied up their 
>> dresses 
>> and carrying water skins back and forth to the combatants, as narrated by 
>> al-Bukhari and Muslim. 
>> �
>> According to almost all the historians, Asma, the 
>> elder sister of Ayesha was ten years older than Ayesha. 
>> �
>> Well, Ibn Kathir based himself on Ibn Abi al-Zinad's assertion that she was 
>> ten years older than `A'isha, however, al-Dhahabi in Siyar A`lam al-Nubala' 
>> said 
>> there was a greater difference than 10 years between the two, up to 19, and 
>> he 
>> is more reliable here. 
>> �
>> It is reported in Taqri'bu'l-tehzi'b as well as 
>> Al-bidayah wa'l-nihayah that Asma died in 73 hijrah when she was 100 years 
>> old. 
>> Now, obviously if Asma was 100 years old in 73 hijrah she should have been 
>> 27 or 
>> 28 years old at the time of hijrah. If Asma was 27 or 28 years old at the 
>> time 
>> of hijrah, Ayesha should have been 17 or 18 years old at that time. Thus, 
>> Ayesha, if she got married in 1 AH (after hijrah) or 2 AH, was between 18 to 
>> 20 
>> years old at the time of her marriage. 
>> �
>> Ibn Hajar reports in al-Isaba from Hisham ibn `Urwa, from his father, that 
>> Asma' did live 100 years, and from Abu Nu`aym al-Asbahani that "Asma' bint 
>> Abi 
>> Bakr was born 27 years before the Hijra, and she lived until the beginning 
>> of 
>> the year 74." None of this amounts to any proof for `A'isha's age 
>> whatsoever. 
>> �
>> Tabari in his treatise on Islamic history, while 
>> mentioning Abu Bakr, reports that Abu Bakr had four children and all four 
>> were 
>> born during the Jahiliyyah -- the pre Islamic period. Obviously, if Ayesha 
>> was 
>> born in the period of Jahiliyyah, she could not have been less than 14 years 
>> in 
>> 1 AH -- the time she most likely got married. 
>> �
>> Al-Tabari nowhere reports that "Abu Bakr's four children were all born in 
>> Jahiliyya" but only that Abu Bakr married both their mothers in Jahiliyya, 
>> Qutayla bint Sa`d and Umm Ruman, who bore him four children in all, two 
>> each, 
>> `A'isha being the daughter of Umm Ruman. 
>> �
>> According to Ibn Hisham, the historian, Ayesha 
>> accepted Islam quite some time before Umar ibn Khattab. 
>> �
>> Nowhere does Ibn Hisham say this. 
>> �
>> This shows that Ayesha accepted Islam during the first 
>> year of Islam. While, if the narrative of Ayesha's marriage at seven years 
>> of 
>> age is held to be true, Ayesha should not have been born during the first 
>> year 
>> of Islam. 
>> �
>> Rather, Ibn Hisham lists `A'isha among "those that accepted Islam because of 
>> Abu Bakr." This does not mean that she embraced Islam during the first year 
>> of 
>> Islam. Nor does it mean that she necessarily embraced Islam before `Umar 
>> (year 
>> 6) although she was born the previous year (year 7 before the Hijra) 
>> although it 
>> is understood she will automatically follow her father's choice even before 
>> the 
>> age of reason. 
>> �
>> Tabari has also reported that at the time Abu Bakr 
>> planned on migrating to Habshah (8 years before Hijrah), he went to Mut`am 
>> -- 
>> with whose son Ayesha was engaged -- and asked him to take Ayesha in his 
>> house 
>> as his son's wife. Mut`am refused, because Abu Bakr had embraced Islam, and 
>> subsequently his son divorced Ayesha (ra). 
>> �
>> Not at all, there is no mention of emigration in Tabari's account of Abu 
>> Bakr's discussion with Mut`im. Nor did he ever ask him to take `A'isha 
>> because 
>> there had been only some preliminary talk, not a formal arrangement. Umm 
>> Ruman, 
>> Abu Bakr's wife, reportedly said: "By Allah, no promise had been given on 
>> our 
>> part at all!" Rather, al-Tabari said that when news of the Prophet's 
>> interest in 
>> `A'isha came, he went to see Mut`im. Then Mut`im's wife manifested her fear 
>> that 
>> her son would become Muslim if he married into Abu Bakr's family. Abu Bakr 
>> then 
>> left them and gave his assent to the Prophet, upon him blessings and peace. 
>> �
>> Now, if Ayesha was only seven years old at the time of 
>> her marriage, she could not have been born at the time Abu Bakr decided on 
>> migrating to Habshah. On the basis of this report it seems only reasonable 
>> to 
>> assume that Ayesha had not only been born 8 years before hijrah, but was 
>> also a 
>> young lady, quite prepared for marriage. 
>> �
>> Your assumption fizzles at the root when you read al-Tabari's positive 
>> assertion: "On the day he consummated the marriage with her, she was nine 
>> years 
>> old." 
>> �
>> According to a narrative reported by Ahmad ibn Hanbal, 
>> after the death of Khadijah, when Khaulah came to the Prophet advising him 
>> to 
>> marry again, the Prophet asked her regarding the choices she had in her 
>> mind. 
>> Khaulah said: "You can marry a virgin (bikr) or a woman who has already been 
>> married (thayyib)". When the Prophet asked about who the virgin was, Khaulah 
>> proposed Ayesha's name. All those who know the Arabic language, are aware 
>> that 
>> the word "bikr" in the Arabic language is not used for an immature nine year 
>> old 
>> girl. The correct word for a young playful girl, as stated earlier is 
>> "Jariyah". 
>> "Bikr" on the other hand, is used for an unmarried lady, and obviously a 
>> nine 
>> year old is not a "lady". 
>> �
>> This is ignorant nonsense, bikr means a virgin girl, a girl who has never 
>> been married even if her age is 0 and there is no unclarity here whatsoever. 
>> �
>> According to Ibn Hajar, Fatimah was five years older 
>> than Ayesha. Fatimah is reported to have been born when the Prophet was 35 
>> years 
>> old. Thus, even if this information is taken to be correct, Ayesha could by 
>> no 
>> means be less than 14 years old at the time of hijrah, and 15 or 16 years 
>> old at 
>> the time of her marriage. 
>> �
>> Rather, Ibn Hajar mentions two versions: (1) al-Waqidi's narration that 
>> Fatima was born when the Prophet was 35; and (2) Ibn `Abd al-Barr's 
>> narration 
>> that she was born when he was 41, approximately one year more or less before 
>> Prophethood, and about five years before `A'isha was born. The latter 
>> version 
>> matches the established dates. 
>> �
>> So our Mother `A'isha was nineteen to twenty years younger than her sister 
>> Asma' (b. 27 before Hijra-d. 74) and about five years to eight years 
>> Fatima's 
>> junior. 
>> �
>> These are some of the major points that go against 
>> accepting the commonly known narrative regarding Ayesha's (ra) age at the 
>> time 
>> of her marriage. In my opinion, neither was it an Arab tradition to give 
>> away 
>> girls in marriage at an age as young as nine or ten years, nor did the 
>> Prophet 
>> marry Ayesha at such a young age. The people of Arabia did not object to 
>> this 
>> marriage, because it never happened in the manner it has been narrated. 
>> �
>> Those that itch to follow misguidance always resort to solipsisms because 
>> they are invariably thin on sources. In this particular case "the Learner" 
>> proves to be ignorant and dishonest. It is no surprise he moves on every 
>> single 
>> point, without exception, from incorrect premises to false conclusions. 
>> �
>> Hajj Gibril 
>> 
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