yg bener aja ted. berharap tukul jadi presiden jauh lebih realistis ketimbang berharap uplik bawa bukti.
--- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@...> wrote: > > Coba bawa buktinya, kalau tidak bisa bawa buktinya artinya sudah memfitnah. > > > > --- In [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > arra_s, ayub yahya, Dipo, Hasan Basri, johny-indon, 'Musik hari ini', > > Pinpin, rezameutia, Roman Proteus, suryana, Teddy dan orang Islam lain yang > > pernah hadir disini sama saja dengan Greg Le Mond itu.. > > > > > > --- In [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > wah persis kelakuan member milis ini yg berinisial depan J dan inisial > > > belakang ohny_indon huehuehuehuehee > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected]> > > > > Cc: Proletar <[email protected]>; Pemikir > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > Cc: Proletar<[email protected]>; > > > > Pemikir<[email protected]> > > > > Cc: Proletar <[email protected]>; Pemikir > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > Cc: Proletar<[email protected]>; > > > > Pemikir<[email protected]> > > > > Cc: Proletar <[email protected]>; Pemikir > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > Cc: proletar<[email protected]>; milis > > > > parapemikir<[email protected]> > > > > Subject: Paus mengritik Islam (=Tidak menjadi mualaf) > > > > > > > > Beberapa waktu lalu Grek dlm postingnya yg berjudul Paus Masuk Islam > > > > dan disertai himbauan agar yg membaca menyebar luaskan klaim orang2 > > > > dungu bhw Pope Benedict mengundurkan diri dan masuk Islam. > > > > > > > > Untuk keseimbangan pendapat aku sertakan artikel mengenai pidato Paus > > > > Benedict yg DIPROTES keras oleh umat Islam karena beliau dlm pidatonya > > > > mengritik Islam. Yg ingin lebih banyak membaca ttg pendapat dia > > > > mengenai Islam aku anjurkan untuk click 'Pope Benedict's speech on > > > > Islam' atau 'Pope Benedict's criticism of Islam' > > > > > > > > Gabriella > > > > > > > > POPE BENEDICT CRITICIZES ISLAM > > > > (Artinya dia tidak menjadi mualaf) > > > >  > > > > "Show me just what Muhammad brought that was > > > > new, and thereyou will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his > > > > command > > > > to spread by the sword the faith he preached." > > > > These > > > > words, expressed six centuries ago by a Byzantine emperor, Manuel II > > > > Paleologus, in dialogue with an Iranian scholar, spur three reflections. > > > > Pope > > > > Benedict XVI offered the above quote, neither endorsing nor condemning > > > > it, in > > > > his academic speech, "Faith, Reason and the University: Memories and > > > > Reflections," delivered in German last week in Germany. It > > > > served to introduce his erudite critique of the Western concept of > > > > reason since > > > > the Enlightenment. > > > > But did > > > > he have other purposes? The head of the Benedictine order, Abbot Notker > > > > Wolf, understood the pope's quote as > > > > "a blatant allusion to [Iran's President Mahmoud] Ahmadinejad." Vatican > > > > insiders told the LondonSunday Times that Benedict "was trying to > > > > pre-empt an aggressive letter aimed at the > > > > papacy by the president of Iran, which was why he cited the debate > > > > involving a > > > > Persian." > > > > First > > > > reflection: Benedict has offered elusive comments, brief statements, > > > > and now this delphic quotation, > > > > but he has not provided a much-needed major statement on this vital > > > > topic of > > > > Islam. One hopes it is in the offing. > > > > Whatever > > > > the pope's purpose, he prompted the near-predictable furor in the > > > > Muslim world. > > > > Religious and political authorities widely condemned the speech, with > > > > some > > > > calling for violence. > > > > > > > > * In Britain, while leading a rally outside Westminster > > > > Cathedral, Anjem Choudary of Al-Ghurabaa called for the pope "to be > > > > subject to capital punishment." > > > > * In Iraq, the Mujahideen's Army threatened to "smash the > > > > crosses in the house of the dog from Rome" and other groups made > > > > blood-curdling threats. > > > > * In Kuwait, an important website called for violent > > > > retribution against Catholics. > > > > * In Somalia, the religious leader Abubukar Hassan Malin urged > > > > Muslims to "hunt down" the pope and kill him "on the spot." > > > > * In India, a leading imam, Syed Ahmed Bukhari, called on > > > > Muslims to "respond in a manner which forces the pope to apologise." > > > > * A top Al-Qaeda figure announced that "the infidelity and > > > > tyranny of the pope will only be stopped by a major attack." > > > > The > > > > Vatican responded by establishing an extraordinary and unprecedented > > > > security cordon around the pope. Further away, the incitement spurred > > > > some violence, with more > > > > likely on the way. Seven churches were attacked in the West Bank and > > > > Gaza, one in Basra, Iraq (prompting this ironic headline at > > > > the "RedState" blog: "Pope implies Islam a violent religion ... Muslims > > > > bomb > > > > churches"). The murder of an Italian nun in Somalia and two Assyrians > > > > in Iraq also appear connected. > > > > Second > > > > reflection: this new round of Muslim outrage, violence, and murder has > > > > a by-now > > > > routine quality. Earlier versions occurred in 1989 (in response to > > > > Salman Rushdie's novel, The Satanic Verses), > > > > 1997 (when the U.S. Supreme Court did not take down a representation > > > > of Muhammad), 2002 (when Jerry Falwell called Muhammad a terrorist), > > > > 2005 > > > > (the fraudulent Koran-flushing episode), and February 2006 (the > > > > Danish cartoon incident). > > > > Vatican > > > > leaders tried to defuse the pope's quote, as well as his condemnation > > > > of jihad (holy war). The papal spokesman, Federico Lombardi, S.J., said > > > > Benedict did not > > > > intend to give "an interpretation of Islam as violent. ⦠inside Islam > > > > there are many different positions and there are many positions that > > > > are not > > > > violent." Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, the secretary of state, > > > > indicated that the pope "sincerely regrets that certain passages of his > > > > address could have sounded offensive to the sensitivities of the Muslim > > > > faithful." > > > > Then, in > > > > what may be an unprecedented step by a pope, Benedict himself proffered > > > > the sort of semi-apology often favored by those feeling the > > > > heat. "I am deeply sorry for the reactions in some countries to a few > > > > passages of my address," reads the official Vatican translation into > > > > English, "which were considered offensive to the sensibility of Muslims. > > > > These in fact were a quotation from a medieval text, which do not in > > > > any way > > > > express my personal thought." > > > > In the Italian original, however, Benedict says only sono rammaricato, > > > > which translates as "I am disappointed" or > > > > "I regret." > > > > Third > > > > reflection: the Muslim uproar has a goal: to prohibit criticism of > > > > Islam by > > > > Christians and thereby to impose Shariah norms on the West. Should > > > > Westerners accept this central tenet of Islamic law, others will surely > > > > follow. > > > > Retaining free speech about Islam, therefore, represents a critical > > > > defense > > > > against the imposition of an Islamic order. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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