Mana buktinya? Sendirinya cuma buat pernyataan tanpa ada bukti. Ha ha ha ...
--- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@...> wrote: > > > Pergilah berobat ke psikiater Teddy.. > > Sekali lagi.. > > Otak anda jelas sudah rusak dan jadi busuk, nista lagi mennjijikkan. > > Yang anda lakukan disini itu terutama menunjukkkan anda itu bangsat psikopat > tukang fitnah, tamak lagi serakah dan bahwa anda itu penjahat pelaku tax > evasion, tidak punya pegangan moral, tidak tahu logic, tidak paham gaya > sarkastik atau rame-rame ikut gerombolan > orang islam psikopat berat yang kayak anjing suka menggongong asal menyalak > pamer kedunguan mereka atau nyari-nyari kesalahan saya atau item abu yang > tidak ada: saya tunjukkakn bukti anda kira saya mau ngibul. > > Dan anda itu juga demen pamer bahwa anda itu bebal kayak keledai. > > Jadi bergegaslah berobat ke psikiater Teddy.. > > Jaminan kesehatan di Australia, saya tahu, juga bagus kok. > > > --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > > > > Mau ngibul ni yeee? > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Pergilah berobat ke psikiater Teddy.. > > > > > > Sekali lagi.. > > > > > > Otak anda jelas sudah rusak dan jadi busuk, nista lagi mennjijikkan. > > > > > > Yang anda lakukan disini itu terutama menunjukkkan anda itu bangsat > > > psikopat > > > tukang fitnah, tamak lagi serakah dan bahwa anda itu penjahat pelaku tax > > > evasion, tidak punya pegangan moral, tidak tahu logic, tidak paham gaya > > > sarkastik atau rame-rame ikut gerombolan > > > orang islam psikopat berat yang kayak anjing suka menggongong asal > > > menyalak > > > pamer kedunguan mereka atau nyari-nyari kesalahan saya atau kesalahan item > > > abu yang tidak ada. > > > > > > Dan anda itu juga demen pamer bahwa anda itu bebal kayak keledai: sudah > > > saya tunjukkkan bukti yang menyangkut diri anda tapi kayak keledai anda > > > masih ngotot pamer otak anda yang sudah rusak dan jadi busuk, nista nista > > > lagi menjijikkan.. > > > > > > Jadi bergegaslah berobat ke psikiater Teddy.. > > > > > > Jaminan kesehatan di Australia, saya tahu, juga bagus kok. > > > > > > Selanjutnya: > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/message/378647 > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Jadi terbukti sudah bahwa Jusfiq memang seorang tukang fitnah yang > > > > tidak mampu bawa argumen. > > > > > > > > Seperti saya sebut sebelumnya tulisan saya tidak berbau agama dan > > > > sebagiannya hanya untuk menjitaki si item abu dan anda sendiri saat > > > > anda berdua sudah membuat kedogolan-kedogolan. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pergilah berobat ke psikiater Teddy.. > > > > > > > > > > Sekali lagi.. > > > > > > > > > > Otak anda jelas sudah rusak dan jadi busuk, nista lagi mennjijikkan. > > > > > > > > > > Yang anda lakukan disini itu terutama menunjukkkan anda itu bangsat > > > > > psikopat > > > > > tukang fitnah, tamak lagi serakah dan bahwa anda itu penjahat pelaku > > > > > tax > > > > > evasion, tidak punya pegangan moral, tidak tahu logic, tidak paham > > > > > gaya > > > > > sarkastik atau rame-rame ikut gerombolan > > > > > orang islam psikopat berat yang kayak anjing suka menggongong asal > > > > > menyalak > > > > > pamer kedunguan mereka atau nyari-nyari kesalahan saya atau > > > > > kesalahan item abu yang tidak ada. > > > > > > > > > > Dan anda itu juga demen pamer bahwa anda itu bebal kayak keledai. > > > > > > > > > > Jadi bergegaslah berobat ke psikiater Teddy.. > > > > > > > > > > Jaminan kesehatan di Australia, saya tahu, juga bagus kok. > > > > > > > > > > Selanjutnya: > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/message/378647 > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Coba bawa buktinya, kalau tidak bisa bawa buktinya artinya sudah > > > > > > memfitnah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arra_s, ayub yahya, Dipo, Hasan Basri, johny-indon, 'Musik hari > > > > > > > ini', Pinpin, rezameutia, Roman Proteus, suryana, Teddy dan orang > > > > > > > Islam lain yang pernah hadir disini sama saja dengan Greg Le > > > > > > > Mond itu.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Nub" <nubtheologian@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wah persis kelakuan member milis ini yg berinisial depan J dan > > > > > > > > inisial belakang ohny_indon huehuehuehuehee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seperti biasa banyak umat Islam yg gumbira kalau ada orang > > > > > > > > > non-Muslim menjadi mualaf. Sering pula mereka ngarang, > > > > > > > > > mengaku-akukan orang yg tidak masuk Islam dikatakan menjadi > > > > > > > > > mualaf. Kalaua dustanya ketahuan (spt kliam mengenai Paus > > > > > > > > > Benedict) maka anda sengaja kirim klaim untuk 'memancing' > > > > > > > > > reksi umat Katolik/Kristen! That's rich! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sekali ber-al taqqiya selalu ber-al taqqiya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gabriella > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > From: Greg Le Mond <grek_2002@> > > > > > > > > > To: "gkrantau@" <gkrantau@>; Alexander <alexander.edbert@> > > > > > > > > > Cc: Proletar <[email protected]>; Pemikir > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, 23 February 2013 8:41 AM > > > > > > > > > Subject: Paus mengritik Islam (=Tidak menjadi mualaf) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anda pun seorang pembual yang sok tau ajaran islam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seluruh tulisan anda tentang islam cerminan manusia dungu dan > > > > > > > > > pandir yg sok tau dan mengerti keyakinan islam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Omongan anda sok sopan padahal isinya fitnah, anyway anda > > > > > > > > > ngapain semangat amat dan kayak kebakaran jenggot ngurusin > > > > > > > > > paus, mau dia masuk islam kek enggak kek ngapain anda urus? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Katanya umat katolik atau vatikan gak sewot, apa anda seekor > > > > > > > > > anjing piaraan provokator yg ingin merusak kerukunan umat > > > > > > > > > beragama dengan rajin2 posting soal islam? Kalau anda emang > > > > > > > > > anjing piaraan provokator ya wajar saja anda dimaki orang. > > > > > > > > > Hanya provokator model anda yg begitu semangat menjelekkan > > > > > > > > > agama yg bukan anda anut. Cerminan otak orang dungu dan gemar > > > > > > > > > menghasut. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jadi gitu ya hasil beriman kristen? Jadi provokator dan jadi > > > > > > > > > anjing piaraan penghasut. Kasian umat kristen lain dicoreng > > > > > > > > > mukanya oleh kotoran dari mulut anda, anyway sy sih banyak > > > > > > > > > berteman dgn umat kristen, untungnya otaknya tidak serusak > > > > > > > > > anda. Saya emang sengaja posting hal spt itu melihat reaksi > > > > > > > > > provokator dungu dan anjing piaraan para penghasut semodel > > > > > > > > > anda. Dan rupanya anda paling getol membalas malah sampai > > > > > > > > > japri dan membawa2 nama saya ke milist yg anda ikutin bahkan > > > > > > > > > saya bukan membernya, itulah satu bukti lg ketololan anda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saya ucapkan selamat, pancingan saya berhasil, anda terbukti > > > > > > > > > dungu dan pandir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® > > > > > > > > > powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 10:29:19 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > > > > To: grek_2002@<grek_2002@>; Alexander<alexander.edbert@> > > > > > > > > > ReplyTo: Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> > > > > > > > > > Cc: Proletar<[email protected]>; > > > > > > > > > Pemikir<[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Paus mengritik Islam (=Tidak menjadi mualaf) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kalau ada uskup menjadi mualaf itu urusan dia. Umat Katolik > > > > > > > > > tidak akan sewot dan Vatikan tidak perlu berkomentar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sebaliknya kalau ada orang dungu dan ber-al taqqiya > > > > > > > > > mengatakan bhw seseorang menjadi mualaf, misalnya Pope > > > > > > > > > Benedict, tapi kenyataannya tidak demikian maka orang yg > > > > > > > > > waras harus menyangkal berita ngaco tersebut. Soalnya kalau > > > > > > > > > tidak ada yg menyangkal kebohongan semacam ini maka sebagian > > > > > > > > > besar umat Islam yg tidak pernah mengecheck kebenaran lalu > > > > > > > > > yakin bhw kebohongan itu adalah kebenaran yg haq. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gabriella > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > From: Greg Le Mond <grek_2002@> > > > > > > > > > To: "gkrantau@" <gkrantau@>; Alexander <alexander.edbert@> > > > > > > > > > Cc: Proletar <[email protected]>; Pemikir > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, 22 February 2013 11:41 PM > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Paus mengritik Islam (=Tidak menjadi mualaf) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apa anda gak baca pula bahwa gereja roma gak mampu membantah > > > > > > > > > uskup yg jadi mualaf? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, kenapa sewot? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kalau emang bener kenyataan seperti itu anda mau apa? Gantung > > > > > > > > > diri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan manusia bodoh seperti anda sudah dibilang untuk kedua > > > > > > > > > kalinya saya bukan member milist yg anda ikutin. Kalau anda > > > > > > > > > mau bawa temen2 bahas ini lihat dulu saya posting di milist > > > > > > > > > mana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasar dungu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® > > > > > > > > > powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 03:58:24 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > > > > To: grek_2002@<grek_2002@>; Alexander<alexander.edbert@> > > > > > > > > > ReplyTo: Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> > > > > > > > > > Cc: Proletar<[email protected]>; > > > > > > > > > Pemikir<[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Paus mengritik Islam (=Tidak menjadi mualaf) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bung Greg Le Mond, bacalah kutipan dari pidato Paus Benedict > > > > > > > > > yg mengatakan bhw yg dibawa oleh Muhammad adalah hal2 yg EVIL > > > > > > > > > dan INHUMAN. Yg jahat dan tidak berperi kemanusiaan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bayangkan orang yg berpendapat begitu jelas ttg Islam sbg > > > > > > > > > ajaran yg jahat dan tidak berperi kemanusiaan tidak > > > > > > > > > mungkinlahdia masuk Islam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gabriella > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > From: Greg Le Mond <grek_2002@> > > > > > > > > > To: "gkrantau@" <gkrantau@>; Alexander <alexander.edbert@> > > > > > > > > > Cc: Proletar <[email protected]>; Pemikir > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, 22 February 2013 10:04 AM > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Paus mengritik Islam (=Tidak menjadi mualaf) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saya bukan member milist proletar, atau pemikir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Postingan anda pun tiap saat hanya bermaterikan kedunguan > > > > > > > > > anda saja, jadi tidak perlu memutar balik lagi soal claim paus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® > > > > > > > > > powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> > > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:16:42 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > > > > To: grek_2002@<grek_2002@>; Alexander > > > > > > > > > Edbert<alexander.edbert@> > > > > > > > > > ReplyTo: Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> > > > > > > > > > Cc: proletar<[email protected]>; milis > > > > > > > > > parapemikir<[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Paus mengritik Islam (=Tidak menjadi mualaf) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beberapa waktu lalu Grek dlm postingnya yg berjudul Paus > > > > > > > > > Masuk Islam dan disertai himbauan agar yg membaca menyebar > > > > > > > > > luaskan klaim orang2 dungu bhw Pope Benedict mengundurkan > > > > > > > > > diri dan masuk Islam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Untuk keseimbangan pendapat aku sertakan artikel mengenai > > > > > > > > > pidato Paus Benedict yg DIPROTES keras oleh umat Islam karena > > > > > > > > > beliau dlm pidatonya mengritik Islam. Yg ingin lebih banyak > > > > > > > > > membaca ttg pendapat dia mengenai Islam aku anjurkan untuk > > > > > > > > > click 'Pope Benedict's speech on Islam' atau 'Pope Benedict's > > > > > > > > > criticism of Islam' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gabriella > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > POPE BENEDICT CRITICIZES ISLAM > > > > > > > > > (Artinya dia tidak menjadi mualaf) > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > "Show me just what Muhammad brought that was > > > > > > > > > new, and thereyou will find things only evil and inhuman, > > > > > > > > > such as his command > > > > > > > > > to spread by the sword the faith he preached." > > > > > > > > > These > > > > > > > > > words, expressed six centuries ago by a Byzantine emperor, > > > > > > > > > Manuel II > > > > > > > > > Paleologus, in dialogue with an Iranian scholar, spur three > > > > > > > > > reflections. > > > > > > > > > Pope > > > > > > > > > Benedict XVI offered the above quote, neither endorsing nor > > > > > > > > > condemning it, in > > > > > > > > > his academic speech, "Faith, Reason and the University: > > > > > > > > > Memories and Reflections," delivered in German last week in > > > > > > > > > Germany. It > > > > > > > > > served to introduce his erudite critique of the Western > > > > > > > > > concept of reason since > > > > > > > > > the Enlightenment. > > > > > > > > > But did > > > > > > > > > he have other purposes? The head of the Benedictine order, > > > > > > > > > Abbot Notker Wolf, understood the pope's quote as > > > > > > > > > "a blatant allusion to [Iran's President Mahmoud] > > > > > > > > > Ahmadinejad." Vatican insiders told the LondonSunday Times > > > > > > > > > that Benedict "was trying to pre-empt an aggressive letter > > > > > > > > > aimed at the > > > > > > > > > papacy by the president of Iran, which was why he cited the > > > > > > > > > debate involving a > > > > > > > > > Persian." > > > > > > > > > First > > > > > > > > > reflection: Benedict has offered elusive comments, brief > > > > > > > > > statements, and now this delphic quotation, > > > > > > > > > but he has not provided a much-needed major statement on this > > > > > > > > > vital topic of > > > > > > > > > Islam. One hopes it is in the offing. > > > > > > > > > Whatever > > > > > > > > > the pope's purpose, he prompted the near-predictable furor in > > > > > > > > > the Muslim world. > > > > > > > > > Religious and political authorities widely condemned the > > > > > > > > > speech, with some > > > > > > > > > calling for violence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * In Britain, while leading a rally outside Westminster > > > > > > > > > Cathedral, Anjem Choudary of Al-Ghurabaa called for the pope > > > > > > > > > "to be subject to capital punishment." > > > > > > > > > * In Iraq, the Mujahideen's Army threatened to "smash > > > > > > > > > the crosses in the house of the dog from Rome" and other > > > > > > > > > groups made blood-curdling threats. > > > > > > > > > * In Kuwait, an important website called for violent > > > > > > > > > retribution against Catholics. > > > > > > > > > * In Somalia, the religious leader Abubukar Hassan > > > > > > > > > Malin urged Muslims to "hunt down" the pope and kill him "on > > > > > > > > > the spot." > > > > > > > > > * In India, a leading imam, Syed Ahmed Bukhari, called > > > > > > > > > on Muslims to "respond in a manner which forces the pope to > > > > > > > > > apologise." > > > > > > > > > * A top Al-Qaeda figure announced that "the infidelity > > > > > > > > > and tyranny of the pope will only be stopped by a major > > > > > > > > > attack." > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > Vatican responded by establishing an extraordinary and > > > > > > > > > unprecedented security cordon around the pope. Further away, > > > > > > > > > the incitement spurred some violence, with more > > > > > > > > > likely on the way. Seven churches were attacked in the West > > > > > > > > > Bank and Gaza, one in Basra, Iraq (prompting this ironic > > > > > > > > > headline at > > > > > > > > > the "RedState" blog: "Pope implies Islam a violent religion > > > > > > > > > ... Muslims bomb > > > > > > > > > churches"). The murder of an Italian nun in Somalia and two > > > > > > > > > Assyrians in Iraq also appear connected. > > > > > > > > > Second > > > > > > > > > reflection: this new round of Muslim outrage, violence, and > > > > > > > > > murder has a by-now > > > > > > > > > routine quality. Earlier versions occurred in 1989 (in > > > > > > > > > response to Salman Rushdie's novel, The Satanic Verses), > > > > > > > > > 1997 (when the U.S. Supreme Court did not take down a > > > > > > > > > representation > > > > > > > > > of Muhammad), 2002 (when Jerry Falwell called Muhammad a > > > > > > > > > terrorist), 2005 > > > > > > > > > (the fraudulent Koran-flushing episode), and February 2006 > > > > > > > > > (the > > > > > > > > > Danish cartoon incident). > > > > > > > > > Vatican > > > > > > > > > leaders tried to defuse the pope's quote, as well as his > > > > > > > > > condemnation of jihad (holy war). The papal spokesman, > > > > > > > > > Federico Lombardi, S.J., said Benedict did not > > > > > > > > > intend to give "an interpretation of Islam as violent. ⦠> > > > > > > > > inside Islam > > > > > > > > > there are many different positions and there are many > > > > > > > > > positions that are not > > > > > > > > > violent." Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, the secretary of state, > > > > > > > > > indicated that the pope "sincerely regrets that certain > > > > > > > > > passages of his > > > > > > > > > address could have sounded offensive to the sensitivities of > > > > > > > > > the Muslim > > > > > > > > > faithful." > > > > > > > > > Then, in > > > > > > > > > what may be an unprecedented step by a pope, Benedict himself > > > > > > > > > proffered the sort of semi-apology often favored by those > > > > > > > > > feeling the > > > > > > > > > heat. "I am deeply sorry for the reactions in some countries > > > > > > > > > to a few > > > > > > > > > passages of my address," reads the official Vatican > > > > > > > > > translation into > > > > > > > > > English, "which were considered offensive to the sensibility > > > > > > > > > of Muslims. > > > > > > > > > These in fact were a quotation from a medieval text, which do > > > > > > > > > not in any way > > > > > > > > > express my personal thought." > > > > > > > > > In the Italian original, however, Benedict says only sono > > > > > > > > > rammaricato, which translates as "I am disappointed" or > > > > > > > > > "I regret." > > > > > > > > > Third > > > > > > > > > reflection: the Muslim uproar has a goal: to prohibit > > > > > > > > > criticism of Islam by > > > > > > > > > Christians and thereby to impose Shariah norms on the West. > > > > > > > > > Should > > > > > > > > > Westerners accept this central tenet of Islamic law, others > > > > > > > > > will surely follow. > > > > > > > > > Retaining free speech about Islam, therefore, represents a > > > > > > > > > critical defense > > > > > > > > > against the imposition of an Islamic order. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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