Uplik udah nyadar sekarang.. lebih aman putar kaset rusak.. karena kalau ber argumen.. huehehehe..
ketahuan ancur nya.. --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@...> wrote: > > > Pergilah berobat ke psikiater Teddy.. > > Sekali lagi.. > > Otak anda jelas sudah rusak dan jadi busuk, nista lagi mennjijikkan. > > Yang anda lakukan disini itu terutama - selain pamer mental beo gagu yang suka > meniru sembari ngaco ungkapan orang seperti diatas - adalah menunjukkkan bahwa > anda itu bangsat psikopat > tukang fitnah, tamak lagi serakah dan bahwa anda itu penjahat pelaku tax > evasion, tidak punya pegangan moral, tidak tahu logic, tidak paham gaya > sarkastik atau rame-rame ikut gerombolan > orang islam psikopat berat yang kayak anjing suka menggongong asal menyalak > pamer kedunguan mereka atau nyari-nyari kesalahan item abu yang tidak ada. > > Dan anda itu juga demen pamer bahwa anda itu bebal kayak keledai: saya sudah > memberikan bukti tapi anda masih ngotot seperti dibawah ini. > > Jadi bergegaslah berobat ke psikiater Teddy.. > > Jaminan kesehatan di Australia, saya tahu, juga bagus kok. > > --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > > > > Mana buktinya? Sendirinya cuma buat pernyataan tanpa ada bukti. > > > > Ha ha ha ... > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Pergilah berobat ke psikiater Teddy.. > > > > > > Sekali lagi.. > > > > > > Otak anda jelas sudah rusak dan jadi busuk, nista lagi mennjijikkan. > > > > > > Yang anda lakukan disini itu terutama menunjukkkan anda itu bangsat > > > psikopat > > > tukang fitnah, tamak lagi serakah dan bahwa anda itu penjahat pelaku tax > > > evasion, tidak punya pegangan moral, tidak tahu logic, tidak paham gaya > > > sarkastik atau rame-rame ikut gerombolan > > > orang islam psikopat berat yang kayak anjing suka menggongong asal > > > menyalak > > > pamer kedunguan mereka atau nyari-nyari kesalahan saya atau item abu yang > > > tidak ada: saya tunjukkakn bukti anda kira saya mau ngibul. > > > > > > Dan anda itu juga demen pamer bahwa anda itu bebal kayak keledai. > > > > > > Jadi bergegaslah berobat ke psikiater Teddy.. > > > > > > Jaminan kesehatan di Australia, saya tahu, juga bagus kok. > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Mau ngibul ni yeee? > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pergilah berobat ke psikiater Teddy.. > > > > > > > > > > Sekali lagi.. > > > > > > > > > > Otak anda jelas sudah rusak dan jadi busuk, nista lagi mennjijikkan. > > > > > > > > > > Yang anda lakukan disini itu terutama menunjukkkan anda itu bangsat > > > > > psikopat > > > > > tukang fitnah, tamak lagi serakah dan bahwa anda itu penjahat pelaku > > > > > tax > > > > > evasion, tidak punya pegangan moral, tidak tahu logic, tidak paham > > > > > gaya > > > > > sarkastik atau rame-rame ikut gerombolan > > > > > orang islam psikopat berat yang kayak anjing suka menggongong asal > > > > > menyalak > > > > > pamer kedunguan mereka atau nyari-nyari kesalahan saya atau kesalahan > > > > > item > > > > > abu yang tidak ada. > > > > > > > > > > Dan anda itu juga demen pamer bahwa anda itu bebal kayak keledai: > > > > > sudah saya tunjukkkan bukti yang menyangkut diri anda tapi kayak > > > > > keledai anda masih ngotot pamer otak anda yang sudah rusak dan jadi > > > > > busuk, nista nista lagi menjijikkan.. > > > > > > > > > > Jadi bergegaslah berobat ke psikiater Teddy.. > > > > > > > > > > Jaminan kesehatan di Australia, saya tahu, juga bagus kok. > > > > > > > > > > Selanjutnya: > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/message/378647 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Jadi terbukti sudah bahwa Jusfiq memang seorang tukang fitnah yang > > > > > > tidak mampu bawa argumen. > > > > > > > > > > > > Seperti saya sebut sebelumnya tulisan saya tidak berbau agama dan > > > > > > sebagiannya hanya untuk menjitaki si item abu dan anda sendiri saat > > > > > > anda berdua sudah membuat kedogolan-kedogolan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pergilah berobat ke psikiater Teddy.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sekali lagi.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otak anda jelas sudah rusak dan jadi busuk, nista lagi > > > > > > > mennjijikkan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yang anda lakukan disini itu terutama menunjukkkan anda itu > > > > > > > bangsat psikopat > > > > > > > tukang fitnah, tamak lagi serakah dan bahwa anda itu penjahat > > > > > > > pelaku tax > > > > > > > evasion, tidak punya pegangan moral, tidak tahu logic, tidak > > > > > > > paham gaya > > > > > > > sarkastik atau rame-rame ikut gerombolan > > > > > > > orang islam psikopat berat yang kayak anjing suka menggongong > > > > > > > asal menyalak > > > > > > > pamer kedunguan mereka atau nyari-nyari kesalahan saya atau > > > > > > > kesalahan item abu yang tidak ada. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan anda itu juga demen pamer bahwa anda itu bebal kayak keledai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jadi bergegaslah berobat ke psikiater Teddy.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaminan kesehatan di Australia, saya tahu, juga bagus kok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Selanjutnya: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/message/378647 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Coba bawa buktinya, kalau tidak bisa bawa buktinya artinya > > > > > > > > sudah memfitnah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" > > > > > > > > <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arra_s, ayub yahya, Dipo, Hasan Basri, johny-indon, 'Musik > > > > > > > > > hari ini', Pinpin, rezameutia, Roman Proteus, suryana, Teddy > > > > > > > > > dan orang Islam lain yang pernah hadir disini sama saja > > > > > > > > > dengan Greg Le Mond itu.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Nub" <nubtheologian@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wah persis kelakuan member milis ini yg berinisial depan J > > > > > > > > > > dan inisial belakang ohny_indon huehuehuehuehee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Gabriella Rantau > > > > > > > > > > <gkrantau@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seperti biasa banyak umat Islam yg gumbira kalau ada > > > > > > > > > > > orang non-Muslim menjadi mualaf. Sering pula mereka > > > > > > > > > > > ngarang, mengaku-akukan orang yg tidak masuk Islam > > > > > > > > > > > dikatakan menjadi mualaf. Kalaua dustanya ketahuan (spt > > > > > > > > > > > kliam mengenai Paus Benedict) maka anda sengaja kirim > > > > > > > > > > > klaim untuk 'memancing' reksi umat Katolik/Kristen! > > > > > > > > > > > That's rich! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sekali ber-al taqqiya selalu ber-al taqqiya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gabriella > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > From: Greg Le Mond <grek_2002@> > > > > > > > > > > > To: "gkrantau@" <gkrantau@>; Alexander > > > > > > > > > > > <alexander.edbert@> > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: Proletar <[email protected]>; Pemikir > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, 23 February 2013 8:41 AM > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Paus mengritik Islam (=Tidak menjadi mualaf) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anda pun seorang pembual yang sok tau ajaran islam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seluruh tulisan anda tentang islam cerminan manusia dungu > > > > > > > > > > > dan pandir yg sok tau dan mengerti keyakinan islam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Omongan anda sok sopan padahal isinya fitnah, anyway anda > > > > > > > > > > > ngapain semangat amat dan kayak kebakaran jenggot > > > > > > > > > > > ngurusin paus, mau dia masuk islam kek enggak kek ngapain > > > > > > > > > > > anda urus? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Katanya umat katolik atau vatikan gak sewot, apa anda > > > > > > > > > > > seekor anjing piaraan provokator yg ingin merusak > > > > > > > > > > > kerukunan umat beragama dengan rajin2 posting soal islam? > > > > > > > > > > > Kalau anda emang anjing piaraan provokator ya wajar saja > > > > > > > > > > > anda dimaki orang. Hanya provokator model anda yg begitu > > > > > > > > > > > semangat menjelekkan agama yg bukan anda anut. Cerminan > > > > > > > > > > > otak orang dungu dan gemar menghasut. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jadi gitu ya hasil beriman kristen? Jadi provokator dan > > > > > > > > > > > jadi anjing piaraan penghasut. Kasian umat kristen lain > > > > > > > > > > > dicoreng mukanya oleh kotoran dari mulut anda, anyway sy > > > > > > > > > > > sih banyak berteman dgn umat kristen, untungnya otaknya > > > > > > > > > > > tidak serusak anda. Saya emang sengaja posting hal spt > > > > > > > > > > > itu melihat reaksi provokator dungu dan anjing piaraan > > > > > > > > > > > para penghasut semodel anda. Dan rupanya anda paling > > > > > > > > > > > getol membalas malah sampai japri dan membawa2 nama saya > > > > > > > > > > > ke milist yg anda ikutin bahkan saya bukan membernya, > > > > > > > > > > > itulah satu bukti lg ketololan anda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saya ucapkan selamat, pancingan saya berhasil, anda > > > > > > > > > > > terbukti dungu dan pandir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® > > > > > > > > > > > powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 10:29:19 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > > > > > > To: grek_2002@<grek_2002@>; Alexander<alexander.edbert@> > > > > > > > > > > > ReplyTo: Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: Proletar<[email protected]>; > > > > > > > > > > > Pemikir<[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Paus mengritik Islam (=Tidak menjadi mualaf) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kalau ada uskup menjadi mualaf itu urusan dia. Umat > > > > > > > > > > > Katolik tidak akan sewot dan Vatikan tidak perlu > > > > > > > > > > > berkomentar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sebaliknya kalau ada orang dungu dan ber-al taqqiya > > > > > > > > > > > mengatakan bhw seseorang menjadi mualaf, misalnya Pope > > > > > > > > > > > Benedict, tapi kenyataannya tidak demikian maka orang yg > > > > > > > > > > > waras harus menyangkal berita ngaco tersebut. Soalnya > > > > > > > > > > > kalau tidak ada yg menyangkal kebohongan semacam ini maka > > > > > > > > > > > sebagian besar umat Islam yg tidak pernah mengecheck > > > > > > > > > > > kebenaran lalu yakin bhw kebohongan itu adalah kebenaran > > > > > > > > > > > yg haq. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gabriella > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > From: Greg Le Mond <grek_2002@> > > > > > > > > > > > To: "gkrantau@" <gkrantau@>; Alexander > > > > > > > > > > > <alexander.edbert@> > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: Proletar <[email protected]>; Pemikir > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, 22 February 2013 11:41 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Paus mengritik Islam (=Tidak menjadi mualaf) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apa anda gak baca pula bahwa gereja roma gak mampu > > > > > > > > > > > membantah uskup yg jadi mualaf? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, kenapa sewot? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kalau emang bener kenyataan seperti itu anda mau apa? > > > > > > > > > > > Gantung diri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan manusia bodoh seperti anda sudah dibilang untuk kedua > > > > > > > > > > > kalinya saya bukan member milist yg anda ikutin. Kalau > > > > > > > > > > > anda mau bawa temen2 bahas ini lihat dulu saya posting di > > > > > > > > > > > milist > > > > > > > > > > > mana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dasar dungu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® > > > > > > > > > > > powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 03:58:24 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > > > > > > To: grek_2002@<grek_2002@>; Alexander<alexander.edbert@> > > > > > > > > > > > ReplyTo: Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: Proletar<[email protected]>; > > > > > > > > > > > Pemikir<[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Paus mengritik Islam (=Tidak menjadi mualaf) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bung Greg Le Mond, bacalah kutipan dari pidato Paus > > > > > > > > > > > Benedict yg mengatakan bhw yg dibawa oleh Muhammad adalah > > > > > > > > > > > hal2 yg EVIL dan INHUMAN. Yg jahat dan tidak berperi > > > > > > > > > > > kemanusiaan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bayangkan orang yg berpendapat begitu jelas ttg Islam sbg > > > > > > > > > > > ajaran yg jahat dan tidak berperi kemanusiaan tidak > > > > > > > > > > > mungkinlahdia masuk Islam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gabriella > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > From: Greg Le Mond <grek_2002@> > > > > > > > > > > > To: "gkrantau@" <gkrantau@>; Alexander > > > > > > > > > > > <alexander.edbert@> > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: Proletar <[email protected]>; Pemikir > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, 22 February 2013 10:04 AM > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Paus mengritik Islam (=Tidak menjadi mualaf) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saya bukan member milist proletar, atau pemikir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Postingan anda pun tiap saat hanya bermaterikan kedunguan > > > > > > > > > > > anda saja, jadi tidak perlu memutar balik lagi soal claim > > > > > > > > > > > paus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® > > > > > > > > > > > powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:16:42 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > > > > > > To: grek_2002@<grek_2002@>; Alexander > > > > > > > > > > > Edbert<alexander.edbert@> > > > > > > > > > > > ReplyTo: Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: proletar<[email protected]>; milis > > > > > > > > > > > parapemikir<[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Paus mengritik Islam (=Tidak menjadi mualaf) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beberapa waktu lalu Grek dlm postingnya yg berjudul Paus > > > > > > > > > > > Masuk Islam dan disertai himbauan agar yg membaca > > > > > > > > > > > menyebar luaskan klaim orang2 dungu bhw Pope Benedict > > > > > > > > > > > mengundurkan diri dan masuk Islam. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Untuk keseimbangan pendapat aku sertakan artikel mengenai > > > > > > > > > > > pidato Paus Benedict yg DIPROTES keras oleh umat Islam > > > > > > > > > > > karena beliau dlm pidatonya mengritik Islam. Yg ingin > > > > > > > > > > > lebih banyak membaca ttg pendapat dia mengenai Islam aku > > > > > > > > > > > anjurkan untuk click 'Pope Benedict's speech on Islam' > > > > > > > > > > > atau 'Pope Benedict's criticism of Islam' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gabriella > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > POPE BENEDICT CRITICIZES ISLAM > > > > > > > > > > > (Artinya dia tidak menjadi mualaf) > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > "Show me just what Muhammad brought that was > > > > > > > > > > > new, and thereyou will find things only evil and inhuman, > > > > > > > > > > > such as his command > > > > > > > > > > > to spread by the sword the faith he preached." > > > > > > > > > > > These > > > > > > > > > > > words, expressed six centuries ago by a Byzantine > > > > > > > > > > > emperor, Manuel II > > > > > > > > > > > Paleologus, in dialogue with an Iranian scholar, spur > > > > > > > > > > > three reflections. > > > > > > > > > > > Pope > > > > > > > > > > > Benedict XVI offered the above quote, neither endorsing > > > > > > > > > > > nor condemning it, in > > > > > > > > > > > his academic speech, "Faith, Reason and the University: > > > > > > > > > > > Memories and Reflections," delivered in German last week > > > > > > > > > > > in Germany. It > > > > > > > > > > > served to introduce his erudite critique of the Western > > > > > > > > > > > concept of reason since > > > > > > > > > > > the Enlightenment. > > > > > > > > > > > But did > > > > > > > > > > > he have other purposes? The head of the Benedictine > > > > > > > > > > > order, Abbot Notker Wolf, understood the pope's quote as > > > > > > > > > > > "a blatant allusion to [Iran's President Mahmoud] > > > > > > > > > > > Ahmadinejad." Vatican insiders told the LondonSunday > > > > > > > > > > > Times that Benedict "was trying to pre-empt an aggressive > > > > > > > > > > > letter aimed at the > > > > > > > > > > > papacy by the president of Iran, which was why he cited > > > > > > > > > > > the debate involving a > > > > > > > > > > > Persian." > > > > > > > > > > > First > > > > > > > > > > > reflection: Benedict has offered elusive comments, brief > > > > > > > > > > > statements, and now this delphic quotation, > > > > > > > > > > > but he has not provided a much-needed major statement on > > > > > > > > > > > this vital topic of > > > > > > > > > > > Islam. One hopes it is in the offing. > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever > > > > > > > > > > > the pope's purpose, he prompted the near-predictable > > > > > > > > > > > furor in the Muslim world. > > > > > > > > > > > Religious and political authorities widely condemned the > > > > > > > > > > > speech, with some > > > > > > > > > > > calling for violence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * In Britain, while leading a rally outside Westminster > > > > > > > > > > > Cathedral, Anjem Choudary of Al-Ghurabaa called for the > > > > > > > > > > > pope "to be subject to capital punishment." > > > > > > > > > > > * In Iraq, the Mujahideen's Army threatened to "smash > > > > > > > > > > > the crosses in the house of the dog from Rome" and other > > > > > > > > > > > groups made blood-curdling threats. > > > > > > > > > > > * In Kuwait, an important website called for violent > > > > > > > > > > > retribution against Catholics. > > > > > > > > > > > * In Somalia, the religious leader Abubukar Hassan > > > > > > > > > > > Malin urged Muslims to "hunt down" the pope and kill him > > > > > > > > > > > "on the spot." > > > > > > > > > > > * In India, a leading imam, Syed Ahmed Bukhari, called > > > > > > > > > > > on Muslims to "respond in a manner which forces the pope > > > > > > > > > > > to apologise." > > > > > > > > > > > * A top Al-Qaeda figure announced that "the infidelity > > > > > > > > > > > and tyranny of the pope will only be stopped by a major > > > > > > > > > > > attack." > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > Vatican responded by establishing an extraordinary and > > > > > > > > > > > unprecedented security cordon around the pope. Further > > > > > > > > > > > away, the incitement spurred some violence, with more > > > > > > > > > > > likely on the way. Seven churches were attacked in the > > > > > > > > > > > West Bank and Gaza, one in Basra, Iraq (prompting this > > > > > > > > > > > ironic headline at > > > > > > > > > > > the "RedState" blog: "Pope implies Islam a violent > > > > > > > > > > > religion ... Muslims bomb > > > > > > > > > > > churches"). The murder of an Italian nun in Somalia and > > > > > > > > > > > two Assyrians in Iraq also appear connected. > > > > > > > > > > > Second > > > > > > > > > > > reflection: this new round of Muslim outrage, violence, > > > > > > > > > > > and murder has a by-now > > > > > > > > > > > routine quality. Earlier versions occurred in 1989 (in > > > > > > > > > > > response to Salman Rushdie's novel, The Satanic Verses), > > > > > > > > > > > 1997 (when the U.S. Supreme Court did not take down a > > > > > > > > > > > representation > > > > > > > > > > > of Muhammad), 2002 (when Jerry Falwell called Muhammad a > > > > > > > > > > > terrorist), 2005 > > > > > > > > > > > (the fraudulent Koran-flushing episode), and February > > > > > > > > > > > 2006 (the > > > > > > > > > > > Danish cartoon incident). > > > > > > > > > > > Vatican > > > > > > > > > > > leaders tried to defuse the pope's quote, as well as his > > > > > > > > > > > condemnation of jihad (holy war). The papal spokesman, > > > > > > > > > > > Federico Lombardi, S.J., said Benedict did not > > > > > > > > > > > intend to give "an interpretation of Islam as violent. > > > > > > > > > > > ⦠inside Islam > > > > > > > > > > > there are many different positions and there are many > > > > > > > > > > > positions that are not > > > > > > > > > > > violent." Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, the secretary of > > > > > > > > > > > state, > > > > > > > > > > > indicated that the pope "sincerely regrets that certain > > > > > > > > > > > passages of his > > > > > > > > > > > address could have sounded offensive to the sensitivities > > > > > > > > > > > of the Muslim > > > > > > > > > > > faithful." > > > > > > > > > > > Then, in > > > > > > > > > > > what may be an unprecedented step by a pope, Benedict > > > > > > > > > > > himself proffered the sort of semi-apology often favored > > > > > > > > > > > by those feeling the > > > > > > > > > > > heat. "I am deeply sorry for the reactions in some > > > > > > > > > > > countries to a few > > > > > > > > > > > passages of my address," reads the official Vatican > > > > > > > > > > > translation into > > > > > > > > > > > English, "which were considered offensive to the > > > > > > > > > > > sensibility of Muslims. > > > > > > > > > > > These in fact were a quotation from a medieval text, > > > > > > > > > > > which do not in any way > > > > > > > > > > > express my personal thought." > > > > > > > > > > > In the Italian original, however, Benedict says only sono > > > > > > > > > > > rammaricato, which translates as "I am disappointed" or > > > > > > > > > > > "I regret." > > > > > > > > > > > Third > > > > > > > > > > > reflection: the Muslim uproar has a goal: to prohibit > > > > > > > > > > > criticism of Islam by > > > > > > > > > > > Christians and thereby to impose Shariah norms on the > > > > > > > > > > > West. 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