Berapa kali saya harus bilang bahwa saya tidak sedang bahas penjajahan Belanda di-Indonesia, tetapi sedang bahas perang salib.
Kalau Anda mau bicara penjajahan Belanda di-Indonesia, silahkan buat thread baru. Salam. Stanley. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of johny_indon Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 7:55 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Bls: [proletar] Sebelum perang salib. gua bilang juga si setanley ini misionaris berbahaya. pola pikirnya yg masih primitif, pengetahuan sejarah yg dangkal, dan bahasa inggris yg jeblok menyempurnakan kedunguanya. setanley juga bisa dipastikan tidak tau bahwa penjajahan di muka bumi ini dimulai ketika gereja di eropa sonoh merasa mendapat mandat dari tuhannya untuk membagi 2 belahan bumi yaitu belahan timur dan barat untuk mereka jajah (bahasa halusnya "eksplorasi"). adanya pembantaian orang kresten terhadap suku maya juga dia pasti tutup mata. di nusantara misi penyebaran kresten oleh utusan gereja di eropa itu memang bisa dibilang gagal. tapi tidak sepenuhnya gagal, mereka sukses di indonesia timur seperti ambon, papua dan timor timur. yg mengherankan, katanya bule2 kresten itu adalah kaum beradab dan maju, tapi dibandingkan orang2 indonesia bagian barat, orang2 indonesia timur yg berhasil mereka krestenkan itu justru yg paling tidak beradab. ini sungguh ironis. --- In [email protected] <mailto:proletar%40yahoogroups.com> , PAREWA <parewa70@...> wrote: > > Lu kejauhan ngibulnya stanley. Pake bahan kibulan dari milis kristen pula. Bahan dari Lagian udah secara telak dibantahin oleh ajeg. Lu mau bolak balik menelentangkan menengkurapkan kebohongannya, faktanya jelas, lewat perang salib orang nasarani membunuhin orang islam. Lagian itu bukan pertama dan terakhir kalinya orang nasarani membunuhin orang islam. Lewat semboyan gold, glory dan gospel (penyebaran ajaran kristen) orang nasarani menjajah, merampok dan membunuhin orang2 non kristen diseluruh dunia. Betapa dahsyatnya penjajahan oleh orang2 nasarani itu bisa dibayangkan jila di daerah rawagede yg demikian kecil aja 400 orang dibantai oleh orang nasarani belanda. Westerling seorang diri saja membunuh ratusan oran (dan dia jadi pahlawan di belanda). Baru2 ini milosevic membantai puluhan ribu orang muslim di bosnia. Belum lagi kalo dihitung di indonesia. Itu orang madura habis disembelih. Nah pearang2 dimana2 itu apa bebas dari keterlibatan orang2 barat > nasarani? > > --- Pada Jum, 30/9/11, Stanley Sethiadi <ssethiadi@...> menulis: > > Dari: Stanley Sethiadi <ssethiadi@...> > Judul: [proletar] Sebelum perang salib. > Kepada: [email protected] <mailto:sttrii%40yahoogroups.com> > Tanggal: Jumat, 30 September, 2011, 7:13 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > Sebelum perang salib terjadi, 3000 musafir (pilgrim) Kristen dibunuh. Ada > > yang tanya mengapa orang Islam bunuh orang Kristen? Saya cari di-internet > > dan saya dapati seperti dibawah. Kelihatannya alasannya sama dengan alasan > > bom Natal, dan terakhir bom Solo baru-baru ini. Mereka mau hapuskan umat > > Yahudi dan umat Kristen dari bumi ini. Tetapi apakah mereka sanggup? Umat > > Kristen didunia lebih banyak dari umat Islam. Baca selengkapnya > > di-file:///D:/Data/Documents/Catholic/JihadAndCrusades.htmfile <di-file://D:/Data/Documents/Catholic/JihadAndCrusades.htmfile> > > > > Apa ada keterangan lain? > > > > Salam. Stanley. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > > What Preceeded The Crusades? > > > > However the Crusades only started after five centuries of Islamic Jihad had > > conquered and annihilated, or forcibly converted, over two thirds of what > > had formerly been the Christian world. Shortly after the Islamic conquest of > > Jerusalem, in 638, Christian pilgrims were harassed, massacred, and early in > > the 8th Century, 60 Christian pilgrims from Amoriem were crucified. > > > > The Muslim governor of Caesarea seized a group of pilgrims from Iconium and > > had them all executed. Muslims extorted ransom money from Pilgrims, and > > threatened to ransack the most holy churches in Christendom such as the > > Church of the Resurrection - if they didn't pay exorbitant taxes. In the 8th > > Century a Muslim ruler banned all displays of the Cross in Jerusalem. He > > also increased the penalty tax (Jizya) and forbad Christians to engage in > > any religious instruction, even of their own children! In 772, the Calipha > > al Mansur ordered the hands of all Christians and Jews in Jerusalem to be > > branded. > > > > In 789, Muslims beheaded a monk in Bethlehem, plundering the monastery and > > slaughtering many more Christians. In 923, a new wave of destruction of > > churches was launched by the Muslim rulers. In 937, Muslims went on a > > rampage in Jerusalem on Palm Sunday plundering and destroying the Church of > > Calvary and the Church of the Resurrection. > > > > In 1004 the Fatimid Calipha Abu Ali al-Mansur al-Hakim unleashed a violent > > wave of church burning and destruction, confiscation of Christian property, > > and ferocious slaughter of both Christians and Jews. Over the next ten > > years, thirty thousand churches were destroyed and vast numbers of Believers > > were forcibly converted or killed. > > > > In 1009, Al-Hakim ordered that the most holy churches in Christendom - the > > Church of the Holy Sepulchre and the Church of the Resurrection in Jerusalem > > - be destroyed. He heaped humiliating and burdensome decrees upon Christians > > and Jews forcing Christians to wear heavy crosses around their necks, and > > Jews to have blocks of wood in the shape of a calf around their necks. > > Ultimately, he ordered Christians and Jews to either accept Islam or flee > > his areas of control. > > > > Christians remained in a precarious position and under threat throughout the > > Middle East. When the Seljuk Turks swept into Jerusalem in 1077 they > > murdered over three thousand people, including many Christians. It was at > > this point that the Christian Emperor of Byzantium, Alexius I, appealed for > > help to the Western churches. > > > > What Preceeded The Crusades? > > > > However the Crusades only started after five centuries of Islamic Jihad had > > conquered and annihilated, or forcibly converted, over two thirds of what > > had formerly been the Christian world. Shortly after the Islamic conquest of > > Jerusalem, in 638, Christian pilgrims were harassed, massacred, and early in > > the 8th Century, 60 Christian pilgrims from Amoriem were crucified. > > > > The Muslim governor of Caesarea seized a group of pilgrims from Iconium and > > had them all executed. Muslims extorted ransom money from Pilgrims, and > > threatened to ransack the most holy churches in Christendom such as the > > Church of the Resurrection - if they didn't pay exorbitant taxes. In the 8th > > Century a Muslim ruler banned all displays of the Cross in Jerusalem. He > > also increased the penalty tax (Jizya) and forbad Christians to engage in > > any religious instruction, even of their own children! In 772, the Calipha > > al Mansur ordered the hands of all Christians and Jews in Jerusalem to be > > branded. > > > > In 789, Muslims beheaded a monk in Bethlehem, plundering the monastery and > > slaughtering many more Christians. In 923, a new wave of destruction of > > churches was launched by the Muslim rulers. In 937, Muslims went on a > > rampage in Jerusalem on Palm Sunday plundering and destroying the Church of > > Calvary and the Church of the Resurrection. > > > > In 1004 the Fatimid Calipha Abu Ali al-Mansur al-Hakim unleashed a violent > > wave of church burning and destruction, confiscation of Christian property, > > and ferocious slaughter of both Christians and Jews. Over the next ten > > years, thirty thousand churches were destroyed and vast numbers of Believers > > were forcibly converted or killed. > > > > In 1009, Al-Hakim ordered that the most holy churches in Christendom - the > > Church of the Holy Sepulchre and the Church of the Resurrection in Jerusalem > > - be destroyed. He heaped humiliating and burdensome decrees upon Christians > > and Jews forcing Christians to wear heavy crosses around their necks, and > > Jews to have blocks of wood in the shape of a calf around their necks. > > Ultimately, he ordered Christians and Jews to either accept Islam or flee > > his areas of control. > > > > Christians remained in a precarious position and under threat throughout the > > Middle East. When the Seljuk Turks swept into Jerusalem in 1077 they > > murdered over three thousand people, including many Christians. It was at > > this point that the Christian Emperor of Byzantium, Alexius I, appealed for > > help to the Western churches. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _____ No virus found in this message. 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