Hebat juga pelajaran sejarah di Indonesia. From: ajeg Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 8:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [proletar] Sebelum perang salib.
Yeah, kalo Belanda gak sampe ke Indonesia tentu Amerika & sekutu gile bener kalo sampe gak ke Irak.. Tambah bingung dah si Stanley yang lagi puyeng ngebahas salib. --- "Sunny" <ambon@...> wrote: > Kalau Turki tidak menguasai Timur Tengah, mungkin Portugal, Belanda > dan Spanyol tidak sampai ke Indonesia. > > From: ajeg > > > Di catatan sejarah yang sempat saya baca semuanya menyebut > > yang terjadi sebelum Perang Salib adalah konflik antara > > Byzantium vs Seljuk. Gak ada yang menyebut Kristen vs Islam > > (catatanmu di bawah sana juga menyebut gitu, Byzantium vs > > Seljuk). Baru setelah Byzantium keteter & minta tulung gereja > > langsung direspon Paus Urbanus (yang kebetulan pengin ekspansi) > > dengan perang agama - bukan cuma Kristen vs Islam. > > Jadi, bagaimana Anda begitu yakin "ada yang tanya mengapa orang > > Islam bunuh orang Kristen?"? Atau si penanya itu sebetulnya > > Anda sendiri? > > > > Yakin juga angkanya sebulet itu, genap 3000, gak pake 'sekitar' > > atau '3000an' - dan seluruhnya orang Kristen? (catatanmu di > > bawah sana menyebut "including many Christians").. > > > > Lalu, bagaimana dengan sebelum "perang salib" yang ini: > > silakan ketik "3000 victims" di gugel.. > > > > --- "Stanley Sethiadi" <ssethiadi@...> wrote: > > > > > Sebelum perang salib terjadi, 3000 musafir (pilgrim) Kristen > > > dibunuh. Ada yang tanya mengapa orang Islam bunuh orang > > > Kristen? Saya cari di-internet dan saya dapati seperti dibawah. > > > Kelihatannya alasannya sama dengan alasan bom Natal, dan > > > terakhir bom Solo baru-baru ini. Mereka mau hapuskan umat > > > Yahudi dan umat Kristen dari bumi ini. Tetapi apakah mereka > > > sanggup? Umat Kristen didunia lebih banyak dari umat Islam. > > > Baca selengkapnya > > > di-file:///D:/Data/Documents/Catholic/JihadAndCrusades.htmfile > > > > > > Apa ada keterangan lain? > > > > > > Salam. Stanley. > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > What Preceeded The Crusades? > > > > > > However the Crusades only started after five centuries of > > > Islamic Jihad had conquered and annihilated, or forcibly > > > converted, over two thirds of what had formerly been the > > > Christian world. Shortly after the Islamic conquest of > > > Jerusalem, in 638, Christian pilgrims were harassed, massacred, > > > and early in the 8th Century, 60 Christian pilgrims from > > > Amoriem were crucified. > > > > > > The Muslim governor of Caesarea seized a group of pilgrims from > > > Iconium and had them all executed. Muslims extorted ransom > > > money from Pilgrims, and threatened to ransack the most holy > > > churches in Christendom such as the Church of the Resurrection > > > - if they didn't pay exorbitant taxes. In the 8th Century a > > > Muslim ruler banned all displays of the Cross in Jerusalem. He > > > also increased the penalty tax (Jizya) and forbad Christians to > > > engage in any religious instruction, even of their own > > > children! In 772, the Calipha al Mansur ordered the hands of > > > all Christians and Jews in Jerusalem to be branded. > > > > > > In 789, Muslims beheaded a monk in Bethlehem, plundering the > > > monastery and slaughtering many more Christians. In 923, a new > > > wave of destruction of churches was launched by the Muslim > > > rulers. In 937, Muslims went on a rampage in Jerusalem on Palm > > > Sunday plundering and destroying the Church of Calvary and the > > > Church of the Resurrection. > > > > > > In 1004 the Fatimid Calipha Abu Ali al-Mansur al-Hakim > > > unleashed a violent wave of church burning and destruction, > > > confiscation of Christian property, and ferocious slaughter of > > > both Christians and Jews. Over the next ten years, thirty > > > thousand churches were destroyed and vast numbers of Believers > > > were forcibly converted or killed. > > > > > > In 1009, Al-Hakim ordered that the most holy churches in > > > Christendom - the Church of the Holy Sepulchre and the Church > > > of the Resurrection in Jerusalem - be destroyed. He heaped > > > humiliating and burdensome decrees upon Christians and Jews > > > forcing Christians to wear heavy crosses around their necks, > > > and Jews to have blocks of wood in the shape of a calf around > > > their necks. > > > Ultimately, he ordered Christians and Jews to either accept > > > Islam or flee his areas of control. > > > > > > Christians remained in a precarious position and under threat > > > throughout the Middle East. When the Seljuk Turks swept into > > > Jerusalem in 1077 they murdered over three thousand people, > > > including many Christians. It was at this point that the > > > Christian Emperor of Byzantium, Alexius I, appealed for help to > > > the Western churches. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
