Tidak saya tidak "puyeng". Santai saja. Sekali lagi saya sedang bahas perang salib, bukan perang Irak dll. Yang bertanya "Mengapa orang Islam bunuh 3000 orang pilgrim Kristen adalah orang Islam. Saya betul-betul cari di-internet, tetapi tidak dapat. Kalau Anda ada info yang bertanggungjawab, mohon diforward dalam millis ini.
Salam. Stanley. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ajeg Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:26 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [proletar] Sebelum perang salib. Yeah, kalo Belanda gak sampe ke Indonesia tentu Amerika & sekutu gile bener kalo sampe gak ke Irak.. Tambah bingung dah si Stanley yang lagi puyeng ngebahas salib. --- "Sunny" <ambon@...> wrote: > Kalau Turki tidak menguasai Timur Tengah, mungkin Portugal, Belanda > dan Spanyol tidak sampai ke Indonesia. > > From: ajeg > > > Di catatan sejarah yang sempat saya baca semuanya menyebut > > yang terjadi sebelum Perang Salib adalah konflik antara > > Byzantium vs Seljuk. Gak ada yang menyebut Kristen vs Islam > > (catatanmu di bawah sana juga menyebut gitu, Byzantium vs > > Seljuk). Baru setelah Byzantium keteter & minta tulung gereja > > langsung direspon Paus Urbanus (yang kebetulan pengin ekspansi) > > dengan perang agama - bukan cuma Kristen vs Islam. > > Jadi, bagaimana Anda begitu yakin "ada yang tanya mengapa orang > > Islam bunuh orang Kristen?"? Atau si penanya itu sebetulnya > > Anda sendiri? > > > > Yakin juga angkanya sebulet itu, genap 3000, gak pake 'sekitar' > > atau '3000an' - dan seluruhnya orang Kristen? (catatanmu di > > bawah sana menyebut "including many Christians").. > > > > Lalu, bagaimana dengan sebelum "perang salib" yang ini: > > silakan ketik "3000 victims" di gugel.. > > > > --- "Stanley Sethiadi" <ssethiadi@...> wrote: > > > > > Sebelum perang salib terjadi, 3000 musafir (pilgrim) Kristen > > > dibunuh. Ada yang tanya mengapa orang Islam bunuh orang > > > Kristen? Saya cari di-internet dan saya dapati seperti dibawah. > > > Kelihatannya alasannya sama dengan alasan bom Natal, dan > > > terakhir bom Solo baru-baru ini. Mereka mau hapuskan umat > > > Yahudi dan umat Kristen dari bumi ini. Tetapi apakah mereka > > > sanggup? Umat Kristen didunia lebih banyak dari umat Islam. > > > Baca selengkapnya > > > di-file:///D:/Data/Documents/Catholic/JihadAndCrusades.htmfile <di-file://D:/Data/Documents/Catholic/JihadAndCrusades.htmfile> > > > > > > Apa ada keterangan lain? > > > > > > Salam. Stanley. > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > What Preceeded The Crusades? > > > > > > However the Crusades only started after five centuries of > > > Islamic Jihad had conquered and annihilated, or forcibly > > > converted, over two thirds of what had formerly been the > > > Christian world. Shortly after the Islamic conquest of > > > Jerusalem, in 638, Christian pilgrims were harassed, massacred, > > > and early in the 8th Century, 60 Christian pilgrims from > > > Amoriem were crucified. > > > > > > The Muslim governor of Caesarea seized a group of pilgrims from > > > Iconium and had them all executed. Muslims extorted ransom > > > money from Pilgrims, and threatened to ransack the most holy > > > churches in Christendom such as the Church of the Resurrection > > > - if they didn't pay exorbitant taxes. In the 8th Century a > > > Muslim ruler banned all displays of the Cross in Jerusalem. He > > > also increased the penalty tax (Jizya) and forbad Christians to > > > engage in any religious instruction, even of their own > > > children! In 772, the Calipha al Mansur ordered the hands of > > > all Christians and Jews in Jerusalem to be branded. > > > > > > In 789, Muslims beheaded a monk in Bethlehem, plundering the > > > monastery and slaughtering many more Christians. In 923, a new > > > wave of destruction of churches was launched by the Muslim > > > rulers. In 937, Muslims went on a rampage in Jerusalem on Palm > > > Sunday plundering and destroying the Church of Calvary and the > > > Church of the Resurrection. > > > > > > In 1004 the Fatimid Calipha Abu Ali al-Mansur al-Hakim > > > unleashed a violent wave of church burning and destruction, > > > confiscation of Christian property, and ferocious slaughter of > > > both Christians and Jews. Over the next ten years, thirty > > > thousand churches were destroyed and vast numbers of Believers > > > were forcibly converted or killed. > > > > > > In 1009, Al-Hakim ordered that the most holy churches in > > > Christendom - the Church of the Holy Sepulchre and the Church > > > of the Resurrection in Jerusalem - be destroyed. He heaped > > > humiliating and burdensome decrees upon Christians and Jews > > > forcing Christians to wear heavy crosses around their necks, > > > and Jews to have blocks of wood in the shape of a calf around > > > their necks. > > > Ultimately, he ordered Christians and Jews to either accept > > > Islam or flee his areas of control. > > > > > > Christians remained in a precarious position and under threat > > > throughout the Middle East. When the Seljuk Turks swept into > > > Jerusalem in 1077 they murdered over three thousand people, > > > including many Christians. It was at this point that the > > > Christian Emperor of Byzantium, Alexius I, appealed for help to > > > the Western churches. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _____ No virus found in this message. 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