Ada perbedaan besar antara berfihak dan tidak peduli.
--- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@...> wrote: > > Asyik... > > Sekarang Teddy berpihak kepada penguasa bedebah di Indonesia yang petatang > petiting pamer hasil jarahan mereka... > > Dan di Indonesia mobil mahal itu adalah sinonim dengan mobil mewah... > > > --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Gawat, si belegug ini kagak bisa menyimak. > > Lu jelas-jelas terobsesi dengan mobil-mobil mewah di mana lu punya definisi > > sendiri untuk yang namanya mobil-mobil mewah. Buat lu asal harganya relatif > > mahal, maka itu pastilah mobil mewah. Padahal mobil-mobil pejabat yang lu > > recokin itu tidak termasuk kategori mobil-mobil mewah dalam definisi > > standar seperti yang disebutkan dalam WIKIPEDIA. > > > > Gua dalam hal ini tidak terlibat. Hak sang pejabat untuk punya mobil apapun > > juga. Gua sih sama sekali tidak peduli karena bukan urusan gua. > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > > > Hehehe.. si keparat Teddy ini muter2 lidah dan nambah dosanya dgn bikin > > > fitnah baru. > > > > > > > > > Gua cuma minta si Teddy ngebuktikan ocehannya sendiri, lalu si Teddy > > > ngoceh seolah2 gua pernah ngelarang dia make duitnya sendiri. Kapan tuh > > > gua pernah ngelarang si Teddy make duitnya sendiri sesuka hatinya? Yg gua > > > bilang adalah si Teddy adalah bajingan rakus dan serakah, bajingan yg ga > > > peduli dgn orang lain, bukan ngelarang si Teddy make duit sesuka hatinya. > > > > > > Udah jelas si Teddy ini ga bisa ngebuktikan ocehannya, tp dasar bajingan > > > ga tau malu, dia msh ga mau ngaku bhw mulutnya adalah lobang taik, > > > padahal dia sendiri yg bilang kalo orang ga bisa ngebuktikan omongannya, > > > maka ybs itu bermulut lobang taik. > > > > > > Emang tuh, dr mulut anjing ga akan tumbuh gading. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > > > From: Teddy S. <teddyr@> > > > >To: [email protected] > > > >Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 7:03 AM > > > >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Gua kagak pernah secara explisit menyebut mobil-mobil mewah seperti yang > > > >lu lakukan. Peduli amat dengan orang-orang yang memilikinya, karena itu > > > >urusan pribadi orang. Hak orang untuk punya dan yang pasti duitnya bukan > > > >dari lu. > > > > > > > >--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Dan lu kaing2 gua terobsesi oleh mobil mewah. Dasar mulut lobang taik > > > >> lu ini. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >________________________________ > > > >> > From: Teddy S. <teddyr@> > > > >> >To: [email protected] > > > >> >Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 4:45 AM > > > >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> >à> > > >> >Terjemahan dari google karena takutnya kesulitan menterjemahkan: > > > >> > > > > >> >>> Ada mobil ultra-tinggi kinerja dari "merek eksotis" yang juga > > > >> >>> melebihi US $ 100.000, tetapi belum tentu dikategorikan sebagai > > > >> >>> mobil mewah, seperti sebagai mobil sport dari Ferrari, Lamborghini > > > >> >>> dan Porsche, meskipun Porsche Panamera bersaing dalam kemewahan > > > >> >>> high-end / ukuran penuh kategori mewah. > > > >> >>> > > > >> > > > > >> >--- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Sudah terbukti anda yang dungu tapi tidak mau langsung mengaku dan > > > >> >> orang yang berotak busuk, nista lagi menjijikan adalah orang yang > > > >> >> fikiran-fikirannya saling bertentangan dan hanya mementingkan > > > >> >> glorifikasi pribadi sendiri. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Baca dengan cermat DEFINISI mobil mewah di mana unsur HARGA > > > >> >> bukanlah satu-satunya kriteria. Semua orang normal akan tahu bahwa > > > >> >> Ferrari itu merk sebuah mobil sport. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Kalau memang anda cermerlang tentunya anda akan mampu merubah > > > >> >> definisi yang diberikan WIKIPEDIA hingga WIKIPEDIA mau meralat dan > > > >> >> memasukan Ferrari sebagai salah satu mobil yang termasuk dalam > > > >> >> klasifikasi mobil mewah. Saya tantang anda untuk melakukan hal itu > > > >> >> terhadap WIKIPEDIA. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Sekali lagi untuk yang diragukan apakah mereka punya mata atau cuma > > > >> >> baso doang. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > There are ultra-high performance cars from "exotic brands" that > > > >> >> > > also exceed US$100,000, but would not necessarily be > > > >> >> > > categorized as luxury automobiles, such as the sports cars from > > > >> >> > > Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche, although the Porsche Panamera > > > >> >> > > does compete in the high-end luxury/full-size luxury category. > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> > > > >> >> wrote: > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > Saya kutip, tanpa komentar karena begitu jelas dungunya, > > > >> >> > referensi Teddy yang > > > >> >> > adalah manusia oportunis berotak busuk, nista lagi menjijikkan > > > >> >> > ini tentang mobil mewah: > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > "Dengan demikian bisa dikatakan Ferrari TIDAK termasuk kedalam > > > >> >> > kelas mobil > > > >> >> > mewah, walau harganya sendiri relatif mahal. " > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > Aneh bin ajaib kalau ada orang yang merasa dirinya demikian > > > >> >> > > pintar dan rajin menggugel dalam hal-hal lain, tapi masih > > > >> >> > > ngotot dengan definisinya sendiri atas "mobil-mobil mewah". > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > Mumpung masih pagi dan ada sedikit waktu, jadi bolehlah sedikit > > > >> >> > > berbelas kasihan meluangkan waktu untuk membantu membuka mata. > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > --- > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > Luxury vehicle is a marketing term for a vehicle that provides > > > >> >> > > luxury ââ¬" pleasant or desirable features beyond strict > > > >> >> > > necessityââ¬"at increased expense (see: definition of > > > >> >> > > luxury). The term suggests a vehicle with greater equipment, > > > >> >> > > performance, construction precision, comfort, design ingenuity, > > > >> >> > > technological innovation, or features that convey brand image, > > > >> >> > > cachet, status, or prestigeââ¬"or any other discretionary > > > >> >> > > feature or combination of features. > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > Luxury market segments > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > Premium compact segment > > > >> >> > > The premium compact segment[clarification needed] or > > > >> >> > > small-luxury class is relatively new, having been initiated by > > > >> >> > > several European brands in the mid-2000s, and constitute the > > > >> >> > > least expensive offerings in their lineups. These cars are > > > >> >> > > targeted at a niche market of young customers who have a more > > > >> >> > > refined taste in their automobiles and the means to pay for > > > >> >> > > them.[citation needed] By offering a smaller, lighter, more > > > >> >> > > fuel-efficient, and less expensive vehicle, this serves to > > > >> >> > > introduce a younger customer to the luxury marque, in hopes of > > > >> >> > > retaining the coveted customer loyalty.[citation needed] This > > > >> >> > > includes the Audi A3, BMW 1 Series, Lexus CT, and Mercedes-Benz > > > >> >> > > B-Class. > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > Premium compacts may share components with mass market cars > > > >> >> > > from the marque's parent company (the A3), and/or have less > > > >> >> > > sophisticated platforms compared to upmarket vehicles in the > > > >> >> > > lineup (such as the B-Class). The body style tends to be a > > > >> >> > > hatchback or compact wagon, previously associated with economy > > > >> >> > > cars but regaining popularity in the United States for its > > > >> >> > > afforded utility. The luxury branding and style, high-quality > > > >> >> > > interior materials, wide range of convenience features, and > > > >> >> > > performance powertrains are key to distinguishing them from > > > >> >> > > mass market equivalents (one mistake made by the Cadillac > > > >> >> > > Cimarron) and making these appeal to consumers. > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > The classification varies, for instance Consumer Guide > > > >> >> > > Automotive in the US considers the Audi A3 and A4 as part of > > > >> >> > > the premium compact segment due to similar size and MSRP, > > > >> >> > > though these are known in Europe as a small family car and a > > > >> >> > > compact executive car, respectively. > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > Entry-level luxury/compact executive cars > > > >> >> > > The entry-level luxury category is also known as the compact > > > >> >> > > executive car in Britain and (Mittelklasse in German). In the > > > >> >> > > US, this segment mostly includes the bottom vehicles in the > > > >> >> > > line-up of luxury brands as well as the top-of-the-line models > > > >> >> > > of some non-luxury brands. > > > >> >> > > Dimensionally, compact executive cars are smaller than > > > >> >> > > mid-size/large family cars, and sometimes even smaller than > > > >> >> > > compact cars. Mass market compact cars typically use the > > > >> >> > > economical front wheel drive transverse engine layout, well > > > >> >> > > suited to the inline-4 engine, which also maximizes interior > > > >> >> > > room. Several compact executive cars are rear-wheel drive with > > > >> >> > > longitudinal engines, for improved stability and handling, and > > > >> >> > > in order to accommodate the larger size of higher-performance > > > >> >> > > engines (straight-6, V6, rarely V8), with four-wheel drive > > > >> >> > > often being available. Compact executive cars also tend have > > > >> >> > > more complicated independent suspensions, sportier > > > >> >> > > transmissions, and high revolution engines that may require > > > >> >> > > premium gasoline. The more complex powertrain and mechanical > > > >> >> > > layouts of compact executive cars comes at increased cost and > > > >> >> > > reduced interior passenger and trunk space. > > > >> >> > > Compact executive cars include the Volvo S60, Acura TSX, Lexus > > > >> >> > > IS, BMW 3 Series, Audi A4, and Mercedes-Benz C-Class which > > > >> >> > > particularly emphasize sporty handling. > > > >> >> > > Other vehicles such as the Lexus ES, Acura TL, Chrysler 300, > > > >> >> > > and Buick LaCrosse are also considered entry-level luxury in > > > >> >> > > the United States and Canada, being similar in price to the BMW > > > >> >> > > 3 Series and Mercedes-Benz C-Class. However, the ES, TL, and > > > >> >> > > LaCrosse are not sold in Europe and do not fall under European > > > >> >> > > luxury classifications. The ES and TL actually began as badge > > > >> >> > > engineered versions of the midsize Toyota Camry and Honda > > > >> >> > > Accord, respectively, retaining the front wheel drive > > > >> >> > > transverse engine layout, whereas Toyota's current Lexus IS > > > >> >> > > does not share a platform with mass market Toyota cars. The ES > > > >> >> > > and TL are not considered executive cars either, despite > > > >> >> > > similar dimensions, since executive cars usually emphasize > > > >> >> > > higher performance, often being rear-wheel drive with > > > >> >> > > longitudinal engines. The present iterations of the ES and > > > >> >> > > LaCrosse emphasize "comfortable, reasonably priced luxury", > > > >> >> > > while the TL has recently been targeted at the entry-level > > > luxury > > > >> sport market. > > > >> >> > > Recently, the entry-level luxury has been very competitive, and > > > >> >> > > there has been price-overlapping with well-equipped non-luxury > > > >> >> > > cars. The bestselling vehicles of the marque are frequently > > > >> >> > > compact executive cars, such as the BMW 3 Series that makes up > > > >> >> > > 40% of the vehicles that BMW sells worldwide. > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > Mid-luxury/executive cars > > > >> >> > > The mid-luxury segment are commonly referred to as executive > > > >> >> > > cars in Britain, Obere Mittelklasse in German, and Grandes > > > >> >> > > Routières in French. Examples include the Volvo S80, BMW 5 > > > >> >> > > Series, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, and Jaguar XF > > > >> >> > > Although having similar dimensions to mid-size cars and large > > > >> >> > > family cars, executive cars are engineered and positioned as > > > >> >> > > premium vehicles with better performance and technology > > > >> >> > > amenities. There are also higher development and production > > > >> >> > > costs, as many well-known mid-luxury cars use the longitudinal > > > >> >> > > (usually front engine rear wheel drive layout) engine mounting > > > >> >> > > which affords space for powerful engines such as a V8, instead > > > >> >> > > of the more economical transverse engine layout of mass market > > > >> >> > > cars which are restricted to inline-4 or V6. Executive cars > > > >> >> > > usually have lower sales and production volumes compared to > > > >> >> > > mid-size cars and large family cars, as base trims with less > > > >> >> > > equipment and smaller engines are not sold in U.S. and Canadian > > > >> >> > > markets. Also due to the problem of steep depreciation, > > > >> >> > > especially concerning cars from less prestigious brands, most > > > >> >> > > executive cars are produced by marques that specialize in > > > >> >> > > larger/more expensive vehicles. Particularly in > > > >> the United States, the mid-luxury segment is dominated by > > > >> Mercedes-Benz and BMW, as executive cars from lesser-known > > > >> manufacturers such as Citroën and Infiniti have not had much > > > >> success. > > > >> >> > > Vehicles in this segment include the mid-range models of > > > >> >> > > several luxury car manufacturers. There are also some flagship > > > >> >> > > sedans in this segment, such as the Acura RL and Infiniti M. > > > >> >> > > Executive cars such as the BMW 5 Series are crucial to a luxury > > > >> >> > > automaker's bottom line, and although not the highest-selling > > > >> >> > > model, they generate a significant amount of profits due to the > > > >> >> > > lucrative technology options. > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > High-end luxury/full-size luxury cars > > > >> >> > > Also known as full-size luxury cars, grand saloons, or premium > > > >> >> > > large cars, while "Oberklasse" is used in Germany. Many of > > > >> >> > > these are the marque's showcases for the newest automotive > > > >> >> > > technology. Several nameplates also offer long-wheelbase > > > >> >> > > versions that offer additional rear legroom and amenities. > > > >> >> > > Full-size luxury cars sold in Canada and the U.S. typically > > > >> >> > > have mid-displacement V8 engines, though recently some marques > > > >> >> > > have offered six cylinder powerplants but without much success. > > > >> >> > > Vehicles in this category include some of the models from the > > > >> >> > > flagship lines of luxury car brands. Examples include the Audi > > > >> >> > > A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ, Lexus LS, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, > > > >> >> > > Volkswagen Phaeton, and in the US, the Lincoln Town Car and > > > >> >> > > Cadillac DTS. > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > Ultra-luxury cars > > > >> >> > > R.L. Polk and Company, a global automotive information and > > > >> >> > > marketing firm that provides solutions to automotive and > > > >> >> > > related industries, has defined the term "super luxury" segment > > > >> >> > > for luxury cars costing more than US$100,000. > > > >> >> > > This bracket includes the entire lineup of Rolls Royce, > > > >> >> > > Bentley, Aston Martin, Maybach, and Maserati, as these marques > > > >> >> > > do not offer lower-priced offerings in the entry-level luxury > > > >> >> > > or mid-luxury segments like more mainstream luxury brands like > > > >> >> > > BMW and Mercedes-Benz. > > > >> >> > > Rolls Royce and Bentley have attempted to move downmarket > > > >> >> > > somewhat with offerings priced considerably lower than their > > > >> >> > > traditional offerings (Rolls Royce Phantom and Bentley > > > >> >> > > Mulsanne) such as the Rolls Royce Ghost and the Bentley > > > >> >> > > Continental GT, creating what Car and Driver describes as the > > > >> >> > > "entry-opulent segment". Bentley, Maybach, and Rolls-Royce > > > >> >> > > vehicles share platforms and engines with other luxury brands > > > >> >> > > from their parent auto company, however Rolls-Royce and Bentley > > > >> >> > > are assembled in England (separate from the rest of BMW and > > > >> >> > > Volkswagen Group's production plants) and this "exclusivity" > > > >> >> > > has made these British marques a sales success. By comparison, > > > >> >> > > Maybachs are built alongside the Mercedes-Benz S-Class flagship > > > >> >> > > sedan which has explained why it has not fared well in the > > > >> >> > > market, furthermore the Maybach's pedigree was virtually > > > >> >> > > unknown outside of Germany unlike its British rivals which have > > > >> >> > > long enjoyed renown worldwide. A Bentley executive was > > > >> quoted as saying "that the brand's exclusivity, history and obsessive > > > >> luxury help to convince customers that a Bentley is worth the price" > > > >> which is at least twice that of a flagship luxury car from BMW or > > > >> Mercedes-Benz. > > > >> >> > > The top-performing variants of flagship cars from Audi, BMW, > > > >> >> > > and Mercedes-Benz are often included here as well. They often > > > >> >> > > have 12-cylinder (usually V12) engines for great refinement and > > > >> >> > > smoothness, even though contemporary V8 engines can make > > > >> >> > > similar output while being less expensive. While BMW sells far > > > >> >> > > fewer V12-engined 7-Series vehicles than V8 versions, the V12 > > > >> >> > > retains popularity in the US, China, and Russia, as well as > > > >> >> > > maintaining the marque's prestige in the luxury vehicle market > > > >> >> > > segment. These ultra-luxury trims also feature standard luxury > > > >> >> > > and technology features that would be considered optional on > > > >> >> > > their V8 siblings. > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > There are ultra-high performance cars from "exotic brands" that > > > >> >> > > also exceed US$100,000, but would not necessarily be > > > >> >> > > categorized as luxury automobiles, such as the sports cars from > > > >> >> > > Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche, although the Porsche Panamera > > > >> >> > > does compete in the high-end luxury/full-size luxury category. > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > --- > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > Jadi berdasarkan informasi yang diberikan oleh WIKIPEDIA, > > > >> >> > > Toyota bukanlah merk mobil mewah (baca lagi definisinya di > > > >> >> > > atas) untuk kelas mobil mewah Toyota punya merk sendiri, yaitu > > > >> >> > > L.... (cari sendiri jawabnya, jangan mau disuapin aja). > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > Berdasarkan pernyataan WIKIPEDIA pada > > > >> >> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxury_vehicle: > > > >> >> > > There are ultra-high performance cars from "exotic brands" that > > > >> >> > > also exceed US$100,000, but would not necessarily be > > > >> >> > > categorized as luxury automobiles, such as the sports cars from > > > >> >> > > Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche, although the Porsche Panamera > > > >> >> > > does compete in the high-end luxury/full-size luxury category. > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > Dengan demikian bisa dikatakan Ferrari TIDAK termasuk kedalam > > > >> >> > > kelas mobil mewah, walau harganya sendiri relatif mahal. Saat > > > >> >> > > dulu berdiskusi dengan johny, kami sedang memperbincangkan > > > >> >> > > kenikmatan berkendaraan dengan akselerasi tinggi, bukannya > > > >> >> > > memperbincangkan mobil mewah. Baca lagi itu tulisan. Mengutip > > > >> >> > > kata-kata guru wanita SMA kami di Bandung dulu (kebetulan > > > >> >> > > beliau berdarah Ambon) yang mengajar pelajaran bahasa Jerman: > > > >> >> > > "Meneer, itu mata apa baso, Meneer?" > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > Gaploki kepala sendiri 10 kali karena sudah membuang waku orang > > > >> >> > > untuk menerangkan sesuatu yang bisa dicari sendiri. > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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