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--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@...> wrote: > > Gua emang ga minat unt ikut2an demo atau bikin pamflet kayak sampah > masyarakat yg demo sambil bikin susah orang lain. Ga mutu cara kayak gitu. > > Kalo gua milih unt ngajarin orang2 di milis gimana orang hrs bersikap dan > ngajarin apa ajaran Islam yg benar, ga ada salahnya, bukan? > > > Jelas ngajarin hal beginian di milis jauh lebih baik drpd cuma sekedar ngoceh > soal sepakbola atau musik sambil cerita pengalaman pergi ke panti pijat atau > saling bersahut2an kayak beruk di hutan dan ngefitnah orang kayak yg > dilakukan orang2 Islam plus plus. > > > > > >________________________________ > > From: Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@...> > >To: [email protected] > >Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 3:44 AM > >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah (Teddy bangsat itu, > >katanya, tidak peduli..) > > > > > > > > > >Tiap orang yang tidak sedungu Teddy juga akan maklum bahwa orang yang > >diiundang dan tidak datang tanpa penjealasan arttinya tu orang tidak > >bersedia datang - dan bukan berhalangan. > > > >Dan nggak kebetulan kok Teddy ini lebih senang dengan sistem perpajakan di > >Amerika yang juga punya jaminan sosial yang termasuk terburuk diantara > >negeri maju - dan nggak heran Teddy itu tidak begitu senang dengan sistem > >perpajakana Australia yang termasuk negeri yang punya jaminan sosial yang > >terbaik diantara negeri maju. > > > >Teddy itu adalah manusia serakah yang hanya memikirkan dirinya sendiri. > > > >Manusia bertabiat busuk, nista lagi menjijikkan. > > > >--- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > >> > >> Apakah pejabat tersebut menyadarinya? Itu perbuatan yang sama sia-sianya > >> dengan membenturkan kepala sendiri ke tembok. Saat saya dulu berurusan > >> dengan pawai Pemilu Partai Golkar, rombongan tersebut saya kejar hingga ke > >> markas mereka di Menteng, Jakarta. Saya temui kepala rombongan mereka, > >> saya jelaskan masalahnya dan saya tuntut permohonan maaf dengan memberikan > >> nama dan alamat di mana sang kepala rombongan berjanji untuk mengirim > >> orang ke rumah. Itu contoh yang langsung bisa dirasakan pejabat terkait. > >> Protege anda ini luar biasa pengecutnya. > >> > >> Satu hal, saya di sini bekerja dan bisa dikatakan kontribusi saya melebihi > >> semua fasilitas yang kami terima. Sebetulnya saya lebih menghendaki sistem > >> perpajakan seperti di AS berlaku di Australia di mana potongan pajak jauh > >> lebih rendah. > >> > >> Simpan kata-kata busuk anda bagi orang-orang yang ongkang-ongkang kaki > >> tanpa bekerja dengan memanfaatkan uang pajak orang banyak. > >> > >> > >> --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > Pertama: menolak undangan bedebah, seerti yagn dilakukan item abu itu > >> > artinya tidak berdiam diri dihadapan kejahatan yang dilakukan bedebah > >> > itu. > >> > > >> > Kedua: sepanjang yang menyangkut kegiatan saya sejak tahun 1972 hingga > >> > Orde Naru jatuh, saya bisa bilang, disamping mendiang Ernst Utrecht dan > >> > sahabat saya Lim, saya adalah orang Indonesia yang dari negeri Belanda > >> > yang ikut mendukung usaha orang di Indonesia menjatuhkan Orde Baru. > >> > > >> > Saya tidak sekedar bersenang-senang di negeri orang menikmati jaminan > >> > sosial dan jaminan ksehatan yagn aduhai seperti anda yagn adalah manusia > >> > oportunis yang bertabiat busuk, nista lagi menjijikkan. > >> > > >> > > >> > --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > Ha ha ha. > >> > > > >> > > Tidak datang memenuhi undangan dan membenturkan kepala sendiri ke > >> > > tembok itu sama-sama tak ada artinya. > >> > > > >> > > Coba anda bercermin diri dan melihat apakah ada perubahan besar yang > >> > > telah terjadi di Indonesia yang merupakan hasil "perjuangan" anda > >> > > selama ini? > >> > > > >> > > Di sini semuanya tidak gratis dan malahan saya masih menyumbang orang > >> > > lain. Sementara ada cukup banyak yang menjadi 'dole bludgers' yang > >> > > sebagiannya enak-enak berselancar tiap harinya. Anda kira orang-orang > >> > > ini pantas menerima santunan? > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > "item abu" menyatakan pendapatnya dengan tidak datang memenuhi > >> > > > undangan yang disampaikan kepadanya.. > >> > > > > >> > > > Ini satu. > >> > > > > >> > > > Yagn kedua: anda itu oportunis busuk, nisgtfa lagi menjijikkan > >> > > > karena anda enak-enak hidup di negeri yang punya jaminan sosial dan > >> > > > jaminan kesehatan yagn aduhai, hasil perjuangan orang yang peduli > >> > > > akan kesenjangan sosial, lalua nda bicara tentang mobil mewah dan > >> > > > anda tidak peduli dengan kejahatan yang dilakukan oleh para bedebah > >> > > > yang menjarah khasanah negara Indonsia - sembari merek menghina > >> > > > korban jarahannnnya yang jadi melarat dengan petatagng petiting > >> > > > dengan mobil mewah hasil jarahannya. > >> > > > > >> > > > Anda itu betulk-betul adalah bangsat oppotunis busuk, nista lagi > >> > > > menjijikkan. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Tidak usah jauh-jauh, tuh protege satu-satunya kebanggan anda > >> > > > > tidak berani mengungkapkan pendapatnya sendiri pada tetangga yang > >> > > > > tinggal di depan rumahnya. Itu yang jelas-jelas langkah yang > >> > > > > merupakan feedback langsung dan mungkin, ini sih masih mungkin > >> > > > > bisa memberikan perubahan. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Apa haknya saya mencampuri yang bukan wewenang saya karena mereka > >> > > > > tidak mewakili saya? Anda mau mencampuri, maka itu urusan anda > >> > > > > sendiri. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Saya membayar restribusi untuk semua fasilitas yang saya dan ibu > >> > > > > saya terima di Australia. Kalau dihitung hingga dengan sen-sen > >> > > > > yang dikeluarkan, maka kontribusi saya selama ini masih lebih > >> > > > > banyak daripada nilai fasilitas yang didapat. Jadi ini tidak > >> > > > > gratis dan saya malah menyumbang untuk orang lain selama ini. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Jadi fasilitas ini tidak gratis dan saya membayar penuh. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> > >> > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Betul-betul bajingan tengik. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Betul-betul bangsat keparat. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Betul-betul manusia oportunis bertabiat busuk, nista lagi > >> > > > > > menjijikkan. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Bukan urusannya, katanya, pejabat Indonesia menjarah khasanah > >> > > > > > negara Indonesia dan menjadikan Indonesia dedel duwel lalu > >> > > > > > menghina korban jarahannnya yang dimelaratkannnya sembari > >> > > > > > petatang petiting pamer mobil mewah dan pamer kekayaan.. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Saat dia, Teddy, menikmati jaminan kesehatan yang aduhai di > >> > > > > > Austrlia, hasil perjuangan orang Australia yang seperti item abu > >> > > > > > peduli terhadap kesenjangan sosial. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Selanjutnya: tidak peduli dengan adanya kejahatan yang dilakukan > >> > > > > > pejabat bedebah di Indonesia itu hakekatnya berpihak kepada > >> > > > > > pejabat penjahat itu. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Ada perbedaan besar antara berfihak dan tidak peduli. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" > >> > > > > > > <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Asyik... > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sekarang Teddy berpihak kepada penguasa bedebah di Indonesia > >> > > > > > > > yang petatang petiting pamer hasil jarahan mereka... > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dan di Indonesia mobil mahal itu adalah sinonim dengan mobil > >> > > > > > > > mewah... > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Gawat, si belegug ini kagak bisa menyimak. > >> > > > > > > > > Lu jelas-jelas terobsesi dengan mobil-mobil mewah di mana > >> > > > > > > > > lu punya definisi sendiri untuk yang namanya mobil-mobil > >> > > > > > > > > mewah. Buat lu asal harganya relatif mahal, maka itu > >> > > > > > > > > pastilah mobil mewah. Padahal mobil-mobil pejabat yang lu > >> > > > > > > > > recokin itu tidak termasuk kategori mobil-mobil mewah > >> > > > > > > > > dalam definisi standar seperti yang disebutkan dalam > >> > > > > > > > > WIKIPEDIA. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Gua dalam hal ini tidak terlibat. Hak sang pejabat untuk > >> > > > > > > > > punya mobil apapun juga. Gua sih sama sekali tidak > >> > > > > > > > > peduli karena bukan urusan gua. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Hehehe.. si keparat Teddy ini muter2 lidah dan nambah > >> > > > > > > > > > dosanya dgn bikin fitnah baru. > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Gua cuma minta si Teddy ngebuktikan ocehannya sendiri, > >> > > > > > > > > > lalu si Teddy ngoceh seolah2 gua pernah ngelarang dia > >> > > > > > > > > > make duitnya sendiri. Kapan tuh gua pernah ngelarang si > >> > > > > > > > > > Teddy make duitnya sendiri sesuka hatinya? Yg gua bilang > >> > > > > > > > > > adalah si Teddy adalah bajingan rakus dan serakah, > >> > > > > > > > > > bajingan yg ga peduli dgn orang lain, bukan ngelarang si > >> > > > > > > > > > Teddy make duit sesuka hatinya. > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Udah jelas si Teddy ini ga bisa ngebuktikan ocehannya, > >> > > > > > > > > > tp dasar bajingan ga tau malu, dia msh ga mau ngaku bhw > >> > > > > > > > > > mulutnya adalah lobang taik, padahal dia sendiri yg > >> > > > > > > > > > bilang kalo orang ga bisa ngebuktikan omongannya, maka > >> > > > > > > > > > ybs itu bermulut lobang taik. > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Emang tuh, dr mulut anjing ga akan tumbuh gading. > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > >> > > > > > > > > > > From: Teddy S. <teddyr@> > >> > > > > > > > > > >To: [email protected] > >> > > > > > > > > > >Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 7:03 AM > >> > > > > > > > > > >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >à> >> > > > > > > > > > >Gua kagak pernah secara explisit menyebut mobil-mobil > >> > > > > > > > > > >mewah seperti yang lu lakukan. Peduli amat dengan > >> > > > > > > > > > >orang-orang yang memilikinya, karena itu urusan pribadi > >> > > > > > > > > > >orang. Hak orang untuk punya dan yang pasti duitnya > >> > > > > > > > > > >bukan dari lu. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> > >> > > > > > > > > > >wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Dan lu kaing2 gua terobsesi oleh mobil mewah. Dasar > >> > > > > > > > > > >> mulut lobang taik lu ini. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >________________________________ > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > From: Teddy S. <teddyr@> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >To: [email protected] > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 4:45 AM > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >Ãâà> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >Terjemahan dari google karena takutnya kesulitan > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >menterjemahkan: > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>> Ada mobil ultra-tinggi kinerja dari "merek > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>> eksotis" yang juga melebihi US $ 100.000, tetapi > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>> belum tentu dikategorikan sebagai mobil mewah, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>> seperti sebagai mobil sport dari Ferrari, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>> Lamborghini dan Porsche, meskipun Porsche > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>> Panamera bersaing dalam kemewahan high-end / > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>> ukuran penuh kategori mewah. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >--- In [email protected], "Teddy S." > >> > > > > > > > > > >> ><teddyr@> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> Sudah terbukti anda yang dungu tapi tidak mau > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> langsung mengaku dan orang yang berotak busuk, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> nista lagi menjijikan adalah orang yang > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> fikiran-fikirannya saling bertentangan dan hanya > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> mementingkan glorifikasi pribadi sendiri. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> Baca dengan cermat DEFINISI mobil mewah di mana > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> unsur HARGA bukanlah satu-satunya kriteria. Semua > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> orang normal akan tahu bahwa Ferrari itu merk > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> sebuah mobil sport. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> Kalau memang anda cermerlang tentunya anda akan > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> mampu merubah definisi yang diberikan WIKIPEDIA > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> hingga WIKIPEDIA mau meralat dan memasukan Ferrari > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> sebagai salah satu mobil yang termasuk dalam > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> klasifikasi mobil mewah. Saya tantang anda untuk > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> melakukan hal itu terhadap WIKIPEDIA. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> Sekali lagi untuk yang diragukan apakah mereka > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> punya mata atau cuma baso doang. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > There are ultra-high performance cars from > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "exotic brands" that also exceed US$100,000, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > but would not necessarily be categorized as > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury automobiles, such as the sports cars > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > from Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > although the Porsche Panamera does compete in > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the high-end luxury/full-size luxury category. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > Saya kutip, tanpa komentar karena begitu jelas > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > dungunya, referensi Teddy yang > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > adalah manusia oportunis berotak busuk, nista > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > lagi menjijikkan ini tentang mobil mewah: > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > "Dengan demikian bisa dikatakan Ferrari TIDAK > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > termasuk kedalam kelas mobil > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > mewah, walau harganya sendiri relatif mahal. " > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > <teddyr@> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Aneh bin ajaib kalau ada orang yang merasa > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > dirinya demikian pintar dan rajin menggugel > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > dalam hal-hal lain, tapi masih ngotot dengan > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > definisinya sendiri atas "mobil-mobil mewah". > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mumpung masih pagi dan ada sedikit waktu, jadi > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > bolehlah sedikit berbelas kasihan meluangkan > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > waktu untuk membantu membuka mata. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > --- > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Luxury vehicle is a marketing term for a > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > vehicle that provides luxury âââ¬" > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > pleasant or desirable features beyond strict > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > necessityâââ¬"at increased expense > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > (see: definition of luxury). The term suggests > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > a vehicle with greater equipment, performance, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > construction precision, comfort, design > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > ingenuity, technological innovation, or > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > features that convey brand image, cachet, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > status, or prestigeâââ¬"or any other > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > discretionary feature or combination of > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > features. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Luxury market segments > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Premium compact segment > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The premium compact segment[clarification > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > needed] or small-luxury class is relatively > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > new, having been initiated by several European > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > brands in the mid-2000s, and constitute the > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > least expensive offerings in their lineups. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > These cars are targeted at a niche market of > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > young customers who have a more refined taste > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in their automobiles and the means to pay for > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > them.[citation needed] By offering a smaller, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > lighter, more fuel-efficient, and less > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > expensive vehicle, this serves to introduce a > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > younger customer to the luxury marque, in > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > hopes of retaining the coveted customer > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > loyalty.[citation needed] This includes the > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Audi A3, BMW 1 Series, Lexus CT, and > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mercedes-Benz B-Class. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Premium compacts may share components with > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mass market cars from the marque's parent > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > company (the A3), and/or have less > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sophisticated platforms compared to upmarket > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > vehicles in the lineup (such as the B-Class). > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The body style tends to be a hatchback or > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > compact wagon, previously associated with > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > economy cars but regaining popularity in the > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > United States for its afforded utility. The > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury branding and style, high-quality > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > interior materials, wide range of convenience > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > features, and performance powertrains are key > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > to distinguishing them from mass market > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > equivalents (one mistake made by the Cadillac > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Cimarron) and making these appeal to consumers. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The classification varies, for instance > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Consumer Guide Automotive in the US considers > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the Audi A3 and A4 as part of the premium > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > compact segment due to similar size and MSRP, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > though these are known in Europe as a small > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > family car and a compact executive car, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > respectively. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Entry-level luxury/compact executive cars > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The entry-level luxury category is also known > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > as the compact executive car in Britain and > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > (Mittelklasse in German). In the US, this > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > segment mostly includes the bottom vehicles in > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the line-up of luxury brands as well as the > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > top-of-the-line models of some non-luxury > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > brands. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Dimensionally, compact executive cars are > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > smaller than mid-size/large family cars, and > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sometimes even smaller than compact cars. Mass > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > market compact cars typically use the > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > economical front wheel drive transverse engine > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > layout, well suited to the inline-4 engine, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > which also maximizes interior room. Several > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > compact executive cars are rear-wheel drive > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > with longitudinal engines, for improved > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > stability and handling, and in order to > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > accommodate the larger size of > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > higher-performance engines (straight-6, V6, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > rarely V8), with four-wheel drive often being > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > available. Compact executive cars also tend > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > have more complicated independent suspensions, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sportier transmissions, and high revolution > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engines that may require premium gasoline. The > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > more complex powertrain and mechanical layouts > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > of compact executive cars comes at increased > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cost and reduced interior passenger and trunk > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > space. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Compact executive cars include the Volvo S60, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Acura TSX, Lexus IS, BMW 3 Series, Audi A4, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and Mercedes-Benz C-Class which particularly > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > emphasize sporty handling. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Other vehicles such as the Lexus ES, Acura TL, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Chrysler 300, and Buick LaCrosse are also > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > considered entry-level luxury in the United > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > States and Canada, being similar in price to > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the BMW 3 Series and Mercedes-Benz C-Class. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > However, the ES, TL, and LaCrosse are not sold > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in Europe and do not fall under European > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury classifications. The ES and TL actually > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > began as badge engineered versions of the > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > midsize Toyota Camry and Honda Accord, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > respectively, retaining the front wheel drive > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > transverse engine layout, whereas Toyota's > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > current Lexus IS does not share a platform > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > with mass market Toyota cars. The ES and TL > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > are not considered executive cars either, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > despite similar dimensions, since executive > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars usually emphasize higher performance, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > often being rear-wheel drive with longitudinal > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engines. The present iterations of the ES and > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > LaCrosse emphasize "comfortable, reasonably > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > priced luxury", while the TL has recently been > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > targeted > at the entry-level > >> > > > > > > > > > luxury > >> > > > > > > > > > >> sport market. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Recently, the entry-level luxury has been very > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > competitive, and there has been > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > price-overlapping with well-equipped > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > non-luxury cars. The bestselling vehicles of > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the marque are frequently compact executive > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars, such as the BMW 3 Series that makes up > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > 40% of the vehicles that BMW sells worldwide. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mid-luxury/executive cars > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The mid-luxury segment are commonly referred > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > to as executive cars in Britain, Obere > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mittelklasse in German, and Grandes > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > RoutiÃÆ'ères in French. Examples include > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the Volvo S80, BMW 5 Series, Mercedes-Benz > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > E-Class, and Jaguar XF > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Although having similar dimensions to mid-size > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars and large family cars, executive cars are > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engineered and positioned as premium vehicles > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > with better performance and technology > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > amenities. There are also higher development > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and production costs, as many well-known > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mid-luxury cars use the longitudinal (usually > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > front engine rear wheel drive layout) engine > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mounting which affords space for powerful > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engines such as a V8, instead of the more > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > economical transverse engine layout of mass > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > market cars which are restricted to inline-4 > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > or V6. Executive cars usually have lower sales > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and production volumes compared to mid-size > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars and large family cars, as base trims with > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > less equipment and smaller engines are not > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sold in U.S. and Canadian markets. Also due to > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the problem of steep depreciation, especially > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > concerning cars from less prestigious brands, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > most executive cars are produced by marques > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > that specialize in larger/more expensive > vehicles. Particularly in > >> > > > > > > > > > >> the United States, the mid-luxury segment is > >> > > > > > > > > > >> dominated by Mercedes-Benz and BMW, as executive cars > >> > > > > > > > > > >> from lesser-known manufacturers such as > >> > > > > > > > > > >> CitroÃÆ'ën and Infiniti have not had much success. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Vehicles in this segment include the mid-range > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > models of several luxury car manufacturers. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > There are also some flagship sedans in this > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > segment, such as the Acura RL and Infiniti M. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Executive cars such as the BMW 5 Series are > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > crucial to a luxury automaker's bottom line, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and although not the highest-selling model, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > they generate a significant amount of profits > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > due to the lucrative technology options. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > High-end luxury/full-size luxury cars > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Also known as full-size luxury cars, grand > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > saloons, or premium large cars, while > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "Oberklasse" is used in Germany. Many of these > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > are the marque's showcases for the newest > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > automotive technology. Several nameplates also > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > offer long-wheelbase versions that offer > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > additional rear legroom and amenities. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Full-size luxury cars sold in Canada and the > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > U.S. typically have mid-displacement V8 > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engines, though recently some marques have > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > offered six cylinder powerplants but without > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > much success. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Vehicles in this category include some of the > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > models from the flagship lines of luxury car > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > brands. Examples include the Audi A8, BMW 7 > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Series, Jaguar XJ, Lexus LS, Mercedes-Benz > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, and in the US, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the Lincoln Town Car and Cadillac DTS. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Ultra-luxury cars > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > R.L. Polk and Company, a global automotive > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > information and marketing firm that provides > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > solutions to automotive and related > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > industries, has defined the term "super > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury" segment for luxury cars costing more > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > than US$100,000. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > This bracket includes the entire lineup of > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Rolls Royce, Bentley, Aston Martin, Maybach, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and Maserati, as these marques do not offer > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > lower-priced offerings in the entry-level > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury or mid-luxury segments like more > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mainstream luxury brands like BMW and > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mercedes-Benz. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Rolls Royce and Bentley have attempted to move > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > downmarket somewhat with offerings priced > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > considerably lower than their traditional > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > offerings (Rolls Royce Phantom and Bentley > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mulsanne) such as the Rolls Royce Ghost and > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the Bentley Continental GT, creating what Car > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and Driver describes as the "entry-opulent > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > segment". Bentley, Maybach, and Rolls-Royce > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > vehicles share platforms and engines with > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > other luxury brands from their parent auto > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > company, however Rolls-Royce and Bentley are > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > assembled in England (separate from the rest > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > of BMW and Volkswagen Group's production > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > plants) and this "exclusivity" has made these > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > British marques a sales success. By > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > comparison, Maybachs are built alongside the > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mercedes-Benz S-Class flagship sedan which has > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > explained why it has not fared well in the > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > market, furthermore the Maybach's pedigree was > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > virtually unknown outside of Germany unlike > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > its British rivals which have long enjoyed > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > renown worldwide. A > Bentley executive was > >> > > > > > > > > > >> quoted as saying "that the brand's exclusivity, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> history and obsessive luxury help to convince > >> > > > > > > > > > >> customers that a Bentley is worth the price" which is > >> > > > > > > > > > >> at least twice that of a flagship luxury car from BMW > >> > > > > > > > > > >> or Mercedes-Benz. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The top-performing variants of flagship cars > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > from Audi, BMW, and Mercedes-Benz are often > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > included here as well. They often have > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > 12-cylinder (usually V12) engines for great > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > refinement and smoothness, even though > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > contemporary V8 engines can make similar > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > output while being less expensive. While BMW > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sells far fewer V12-engined 7-Series vehicles > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > than V8 versions, the V12 retains popularity > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in the US, China, and Russia, as well as > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > maintaining the marque's prestige in the > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury vehicle market segment. These > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > ultra-luxury trims also feature standard > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury and technology features that would be > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > considered optional on their V8 siblings. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > There are ultra-high performance cars from > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "exotic brands" that also exceed US$100,000, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > but would not necessarily be categorized as > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury automobiles, such as the sports cars > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > from Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > although the Porsche Panamera does compete in > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the high-end luxury/full-size luxury category. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > --- > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Jadi berdasarkan informasi yang diberikan oleh > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > WIKIPEDIA, Toyota bukanlah merk mobil mewah > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > (baca lagi definisinya di atas) untuk kelas > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mobil mewah Toyota punya merk sendiri, yaitu > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > L.... (cari sendiri jawabnya, jangan mau > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > disuapin aja). > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Berdasarkan pernyataan WIKIPEDIA pada > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxury_vehicle: > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > There are ultra-high performance cars from > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "exotic brands" that also exceed US$100,000, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > but would not necessarily be categorized as > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury automobiles, such as the sports cars > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > from Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > although the Porsche Panamera does compete in > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the high-end luxury/full-size luxury category. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Dengan demikian bisa dikatakan Ferrari TIDAK > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > termasuk kedalam kelas mobil mewah, walau > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > harganya sendiri relatif mahal. Saat dulu > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > berdiskusi dengan johny, kami sedang > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > memperbincangkan kenikmatan berkendaraan > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > dengan akselerasi tinggi, bukannya > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > memperbincangkan mobil mewah. Baca lagi itu > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > tulisan. 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