> and saved them. Not that it would have done me any good. We did keep the
> original
> design files and stored them in the company fire proof safe. BUT, some
> idiot decided
> to clean up the safe and through them out, along with other vital stuff!!!

Well then, put it someplace safe from the pointy-haired boss!

Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website:  www.bagotronix.com


----- Original Message -----
From: "Colin Weber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Alegro Conversion


> Ivan,
>
> I totally agree with your comments. Looking back I wish I'd created ASCII
> versions
> and saved them. Not that it would have done me any good. We did keep the
> original
> design files and stored them in the company fire proof safe. BUT, some
> idiot decided
> to clean up the safe and through them out, along with other vital stuff!!!
> Ironically it
> turned out to be someone high up the food chain, so nothing was done about
it.
>
> I did have a few other things against me. The licenses ran on Unix and the
old
> workstations were becoming hard (read, expensive to a new share driven
company)
> to maintain. The licenses also expired in Dec 1999. Why don't we own
> software we
> pay over $180k for?
>
>
>
> At 06:18 PM 15/08/2001 -0400, you wrote:
> >I have a few thoughts on file conversions that might be of help.  Of
course,
> >this probably won't help you with your problem now.  But going forward
into
> >the future, it might.
> >
> >Rule #1:  NEVER get rid of your old CAD program software.  Keep the
original
> >media and make a backup copy every 2-4 years or so.  This goes for the OS
it
> >runs on, too.
> >
> >Rule #2:  If someone wants to clean house and get rid of old software,
see
> >rule #1.  If your company leases vault space, you might consider putting
> >software in it to prevent it being thrown out.
> >
> >Rule #3:  Save some non-native format versions of your CAD files.  For
> >example, a Protel SCH should be saved also as a ASCII file, a DXF, and a
> >PDF.  That way you can at least print a fresh copy when the old ones have
> >been worn out or lost.
> >
> >Rule #4:  For any current (still shipping) designs that you may want to
> >revise, bring your CAD data forward into the latest
> >Protel version.  But DO NOT delete your old Protel version CAD files.
> >
> >Rule #5:  Make new archival copies of CAD data every 2-4 years on
whatever
> >the current media is (yesterday floppies, today CD-R, tomorrow who
knows?).
> >
> >Rule #6:  Keep a PC that is capable of running those old CAD programs
should
> >you need to resort to one.  This is easy now since the PC is still king,
but
> >when the X86 architecture is left behind, you're going to need that old
> >dinosaur PC.
> >
> >This week I am going through my old designs (some of which date back to
> >1989) and bringing them forward.  It would be much more difficult if I
> >didn't still have those old CAD programs.  I tried that eCapture thing to
> >bring Orcad files forward to Orcad DSN format, but never could get it to
> >work.  It was easier to use SDT3 itself to make SRC libs to import into
> >Protel v3.X.  Then I saved it in Protel 3.X format and imported it into
> >Protel 99SE.  Some cleanup was required, but the results were pretty
good.
> >Why did Protel not put the ability to import Orcad SDT3 schematics in
99SE;
> >it was in 3.X?
> >
> >Every gizmo you ever design will be a legacy item some day.  So, keep all
> >your Protel versions!  And other CAD program versions!
> >
> >Best regards,
> >Ivan Baggett
> >Bagotronix Inc.
> >website:  www.bagotronix.com
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Colin Weber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 5:41 PM
> >Subject: Re: [PEDA] Alegro Conversion
> >
> >
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > What version of Allegro are you trying to convert from?
> > >
> > > The reason I ask is that we have files in version 8.x from 6 years
ago.
> > > When I investigated
> > > converting these to Protel it didn't appear possible. Cadence
themselves
> > > could only bring
> > > our old version files into their latest version be iterating through
every
> > > version of software they
> > > produced since version 8, one at a time, all separate installations.
> > > Needless to say that also
> > > required a great deal of sucking up and money to accomplish.
> > >
> > > We now have a contractor manually convert any old files we need to
rework,
> > > depending
> > > upon the level of changes. Other than that all the legacy files are
kept
> >in
> > > CAM350 as
> > > Gerbers. We did keep the netlists which makes the checking easier when
> > > redrawing the
> > > schematics into Protel.
> > >
> > > To summarise, from our investigations, apart from the converter you
> >mention
> > > below, I am
> > > not aware of any other solutions. Version 2.8 of Protel is the only
> >version
> > > RSI seem to
> > > support. We have a design from Veribest/Mentor RSI have a translator
for,
> > > and it too is
> > > for version 2.8.
> > >
> > >
> > > At 02:47 PM 15/08/2001 -0700, you wrote:
> > > >Bob,
> > > >
> > > >I don't know what Allegro goes for but the converter I researched was
> > > >$11,400 to go both ways. Ouch!
> > > >
> > > >Jim McGrath
> > > >CAD Connections Inc.
> > > >
> > > >Bob Jones wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > I guess nobody cares about your Allegro problems!!!!
> > > > > What's cheaper the converter or Allegro?
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob Jones
> > > > > Digitized Technologies
> > > > > 2 Summit Road
> > > > > P.O.Box 7284
> > > > > Prospect, CT. 06712-1541
> > > > > Tel: 203-758-6312
> > > > > Fax: 203-758-3338
> > > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >           [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >
> > > > > Notice:  This message is intended solely for the person to whom it
> > > > > is addressed.  Unintended recipients will be legally responsible
for
> > > > > unauthorized use, disclosure, copying or distribution.  If you
have
> > > > > received this message in error, please notify the sender
immediately
> > > > > by replying to this message.  Then delete this message from your
> > > > > system.  Thank you.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Jim McGrath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 1:37 PM
> > > > > Subject: [PEDA] Alegro Conversion
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have a request from a customer to take in their Alegro PCB
files
> >and
> > > > > > modify/finish work that has been started in house. I am aware of
> > > > > > Router Solutions but have been told it converts to 2.8. Does
anybody
> > > > > > have practical experience as to the completeness of the
conversion
> > > > > > and weaknesses/strengths of the conversion?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jim McGrath
> > > > > > CAD Connections, Inc.
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Colin Weber
> > >
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Colin Weber
>

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