Slightly to the side of the topic, but...

I have had in the past, great problems with connections (in the ratsnest
layer) going off to a point, that probably had a track in the past.
Based on what you've said below, I guess the track became zero length in
the process of cleaning up, but then later, adjacent tracks were
deleted.  I'm then left with zero length track on the net, that I can't
delete, select, or even see!  I'd love to be able to clean this up.

Till later,
    Scott May.
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 -----Original Message-----
From:   Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Friday, 8 February 2002 10:45 AM
To:     Protel EDA Forum
Subject:        Re: [PEDA] Removing virtual tracks

At 04:01 PM 2/7/2002 -0500, Jenkins, Charlie wrote:
>I have not tried this but select any track and then do a global to
select if
>the track width matches 0.  Then only the 0 width stuff will be

The track in this case was zero length, not zero width. Global edit will

not catch this. Protel (incorrectly, in my opinion, does not display a
length track. This is particularly anomalous because zero-length draws
gerber *are* drawn (and the result is as if the aperture were flashed).
if you import a gerber file with a zero-length track, that is, a draw
the same starting and ending point, it will become a zero-length track
Protel that does not display.

[Zero width track, incidentally, *does* display with a single pixel from

whatever zoom, and it can readily be selected. And it plots, with a zero

diameter aperture. I consider this correct behavior.]

There should be an option (under Preferences) to automatically delete 
zero-length track when it is created by an edit. Existing zero-length
should be respected, display, plotted, DRC'd, etc.

There are various methods to select zero-length tracks. It is not
to go to the ASCII database and, in fact, it would not be completely 
straightforward to find such track, (It would not be difficult in Excel
other spreadsheet, including the Protel spreadsheet, one could calculate

track length and sort the records on that basis. The Protel spreadsheet,

unfortunately, does not allow the setting of the selection field, as I 
recall. But you could give the track some length by changing one
to a weird value, like 99.999, which could then be the object of a
edit, if one was still necessary)

As to the behavior of zero-length track: When moving the endpoint of a 
track, the track disappears as the cursor is moved to the endpoint of
track. I find that the track will edit normally, but because it is 
invisible, it may be difficult to place the cursor on the track to
and edit it.

The Query Manager cannot be used to select this track because the Query 
Manager does not allow formulas or variables in the selection fields,
is track length one of the allowed variables.

I was able to make the track visible in the following way: I placed a
pad on the track, which took on the track's net. Immediately when the
was released, the pad became visible, because primitives of the same net
a primitive with the focus display highlighted.

If the pad is "No Net," however, this does not work directly. A new pad
a different net, violating against the "No Net" pad, shows a DRC error,
the zero-length track does not display the error. The Violations Browse 
gives (in Details) the coordinates of the zero-length track, which could

then be used by the Query Manager to select it.

There may well be a fast way to find this track and select it for
If it were easy to use formulas in the spreadsheet, that might cut it.
clues? (I know I could do it in Excel, but it would be much faster if
native spreadsheet could be used.) The problem is that the spreadsheet 
includes units in the coordinates, so a direct subtraction does not
work. I 
could not find a *simple* way to convert the coordinate text to an
number. Sure, I could parse the strings, but, hey, if you are going to
us numbers with units, fix the spreadsheet so that it will do math on 
numbers with units!!!

(All is forgiven if there is a simple function I overlooked. Some forms
Basic will evaluate strings to numbers by ignoring any text characters 
beyond the numbers. That's all that would be needed. On the other hand,
there is a function, no kudos to the documentation people.... (does
have documentation people?)

Abdulrahman Lomax
Easthampton, Massachusetts USA

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