Tony,

It's not all Windows services, Win4Lin uses proprietary DLLs and drivers they 
have written.  So the hardware and resource management services are handled 
differently then if you were in native Windows.  The support staff at 
Netraverse.com could tell you more I'm sure.  I just know from my personal 
experiences.  Try it for yourself.

It's not exactly win98.  And there are Limitations.  For one you can't play 
games with DirectX, but who's playing games at work.

Jason

On Tuesday 09 July 2002 12:36, Tony Karavidas wrote:
> Well that's just ridiculous. The router's ability to complete a board has
> nothing to do with the OS except for when you bump up against memory
> limitations (which is fairly unlikely in your system) The autorouter code
> is an encapsulated function, and besides, you are still running Win98SE,
> it's just wrapped up in Linux. The memory management for the app is still
> the same; it's calling Windows services for everything, not linux. The
> linux memory services only help YOU when the Win98SE barfs. Instead of your
> machine coming down, only a controllable piece of Linux is brought down
> which can be successfully managed by Linux.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jason Van Dellen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 10:56 AM
> > To: Protel EDA Forum
> > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel under Win4Lin (WAS OpenOffice & 3D CAD)
> >
> >
> > I run ProtelSE sp6 on Win4Lin 4.  I switched over almost two
> > years now from
> > NT4.  Win4Lin only supports Win98/SE/ME so I use Win98SE.  I have a Dual
> > Celeron 300 I build a few years ago and  even though win98
> > doesn't sopport
> > dual CPUs, under win4lin it utilizes both CPU's.  I found that my
> > AutoRoutes
> > are faster and finish at 100% or very close to it, when the same
> > file under
> > windows would finish at ~80%.  Also I found the memory management
> > improved.
> > Under native Win98, Protel would crash if you opened too many
> > applications.
> > Win4Lin still uses up memory but it won't crash.  The Windows 98 portion
> > might crash it's still Microsoft you know.  :)  If it dose for
> > some reason
> > freeze or crash, I just close the window and reopen it.  It takes
> > only ~15
> > secs to be back up and running.
> >
> > I started back when Win4Lin 1.0 just came out running on Mandrake
> > 7.2.  Since
> > then there has been great improvements.  I'm now running Win4Lin 4.0.2 on
> > Mandrake 8.2.
> >
> > The Win4Lin install program works very well and the support is
> > the best I've
> > found.  I was having an interesting problem with my video driver
> > and I worked
> > with Win4Lin tech support for a while trying to figure it out.
> > They couldn't
> > understand why I was the only one having this problem, so they wrote a
> > special driver for my computer.   And now it works great - It's a
> > work around
> > but it works, so I'm happy.
> >
> > Some features I like
> >
> > 1.  While I'm performing an AutoRoute,  I can switch to my other
> > desktops and
> > read email (Kmail), perform research on the web, etc... without a
> > performance
> > loss.
> >
> > 2. Better memory management, I can't remember the last time it crashed.
> >
> > 3. I can back up my whole win98 install in case I'm doing some
> > upgrading or
> > just doing routine backups.  Let me explain the file structure:
> >
> > In Linux all users have a separate directory in /home eg /home/john
> > Win4Lin installs a separate windows install for each user in
> > /home/john/win/
> > As far as Windows98 knows the root directory is /home/john/win/  = C:\
> > So the windows directory for user john would be /home/john/win/windows/ =
> > C:\windows
> >
> > So if I want to back up my windows I just run "tar cvfz
> > /home_john_win_backup.tgz /home/john/win" and I have my complete windows
> > install tarred or compressed into one file.  Like a zip (for
> > those who don't
> > know about tar)  I can now save it to a cd or another computer.
> >
> > There were times when I could run Win4Lin cause I was messing
> > with something,
> > but needed to retrieve some files, so I just went to
> > /home/john/win/my files
> > in linux retrieved them.  Then when I had time I fixed the
> > problem and all
> > was good.
> >
> > There's one feature that I'm not fond of and that's in the windows files.
> > Win4lin creates these .mapfiles which are hiddin directory's in all the
> > directory's.  Which I can only see from Linux.  So I created a
> > directory in
> > /home/john/User to hold all my working files and then shared it
> > through the
> > network in Linux with Samba and then used Network Neighborhood in
> > Win4Lin to
> > map it as a drive.  I found this works very well.
> >
> > Well I think that's enough for now.  I hope this helps.
> >
> > Jason
> >
> > On Tuesday 09 July 2002 08:52, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote:
> > > I have noticed that OpenOffice 1.0 (Windows version) will
> >
> > sometimes crash
> >
> > > when opening a Word document if you do it by double-clicking on the
> > > filename in Windows Explorer.  But, if you open the Word
> >
> > document from the
> >
> > > File->Open dialog it works OK.
> > >
> > > Could be a file association problem?
> > >
> > > If you feel like paying for software, you could try StarOffice from Sun
> > > Microsystems.  It's the paid version of OpenOffice, and I think it also
> > > comes with a database program (OpenOffice doesn't).
> > >
> > > Haven't seen the 3D tool.
> > >
> > > Did someone on this list say they used Protel 99SE on Linux
> >
> > with Win4Lin?
> >
> > > How is that working for you?  Any bugs, undocumented
> >
> > "features", or quirks?
> >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Ivan Baggett
> > > Bagotronix Inc.
> > > website:  www.bagotronix.com
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Phillip Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 7:22 AM
> > > Subject: [PEDA] OpenOffice & 3D CAD
> > >
> > > > I just got OpenOffice the other day.  I was focused on
> >
> > reading in a word
> >
> > > > document at the time.  I tried opening a few Word documents,
> >
> > but all it
> >
> > > seemed
> > >
> > > > to do was crash for me.
> > > >
> > > > I did note while it was installing,  that there was some kind of a 3D
> > > > viewer or editor tool in OpenOffice too?  I had planed to go back and
> > > > check it out,  but I haven't gotten around to it yet.
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone used this OpenOffice 3D tool?
> > > >
> > > > I'm assuming it's a 3D editor.
> > > > If this works,  it would be nice to see P99SE (and DXP)
> >
> > support it,  as a
> >
> > > > way to make models for the 3D viewer in P99SE.
> > > >
> > > > ---Phil
> > > >
> > > > JVD>  If I need to create/open/save
> > > > JVD> Office97/2000/XP documents I can use OpenOffice.org.  If
> >
> > I need to
> >
> > > run
> > >
> > > > JVD> Windows Apps(eg Protel), I run Win4Lin.
>
> http://www.netraverse.com/
>
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> > > *
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