> -----Original Message-----
> From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 1:03 PM
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Cc: JaMi Smith
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] Warning to DXP Users re P99SE files
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wojciech Oborski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 12:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] Warning to DXP Users re P99SE files
> > File extensions assotiation is a Windows thing, not Protel!
> >
> This is true, but I never changed the association myself, and 
> the thought never occurred to me that DXP did it 
> automatically at installation.
> That is the purpose of the post - to warn others who may not 
> realize it.
> snip
> > How do you think Protel/Altium could manage this?
> >
> I am wondering what DXP was trying to do to my P99SE file, and why?
> Also, Altuim has a few bad habits in Protel 99 SE, such as 
> doing strange things to a file (like updating it's time and 
> date stamp when you simply open a file and never touch it or 
> save it, and appearently working off of the original copy of 
> a file unlike the rest of the world which renames it as the 
> backup (for example only - please do not digress into a 
> discussion on this issue)), and I have not had the time to 
> see if some of these things are carried over to DXP. I would 
> also like them (Altium) let us (P99SE users) know if there 
> are any things that DXP may do to a file by opening it (such 
> as making changes as I thought it was doing) that would cause 
> problems with that file then being used again with P99SE. I 
> think this is a reasonable question, and I would still like 
> to know the answer. I would think that you and every other 
> Protel 99 SE user out here would like to know the answer t othat also.

I agree, it has been a small pain to have my DDBs changing date every
time I look at them. In one sense, I'm glad the DDB is gone, although I
will miss it for a while. I used it like an automatic ZIP system.
Everytime I made a big change to a file inside a DDB, I'd just back up
the DDB somewhere.

I don't think DXP makes any changes to a file when you open it. If you
make edits, then of course, but it will ask you if you want to save, and
on top of that it will ask you what format to save it in.

> I personally cannot afford to have DXP make some small change 
> and do some "small thing" to a file that was mistakenly 
> opened by it instead of P99SE, and find out that it 
> permanantly changed the file (like the "time and date" stamp 
> issue above), and find out a week later that that "small 
> thing" somehow "corrupted" the file and made it unusable.
> > Please, do not blame Altium for every possible problem or 
> difficulty 
> > happening in your professional activity - maybe it's just 
> my personal 
> > impression, but it's some of your recent posts that made that 
> > impression.
> >
> Yes, recently I have been pushing my computer systems and 
> Protel 99 SE to the limits, as we all do from time to time in 
> a crunch, which is all the more reason why we all need a rock 
> solid "professional" computer systems and rock solid 
> "professional" computer software to use as "professional" 
> tools to do our "professional" job. And that is why you may 
> hear me be a little bit "unprofessional" about some of the 
> unacceptable and "unprofessional" things that Protel 99 SE 
> does at times.
> Please remember that the very first time that I really used 
> Protel 99 SE in a full blown "professional" application and 
> atmosphere (not my own trial version at home), baxk in July 
> 2001, it crashed on me.
> It has crashed on a continual and regular basis ever since.
> It continues to "crash" on me to this day, inspite of my 
> upgrading systems and installing in on a brand new Dell 535 
> Workstation Pentium 4 (at work) and a brand new IBM Netvista 
> 6648 Pentium III (at home with my personal license).

Maybe all your boards are from hell, because so many of us do not have
the crashing you do on such a regular basis. Is it possible for you to
send one of your boards to me or to someone else you choose so a second
party can determine if it's something complex in your boards or just bad
luck with those systems. I don't give a rat's *ss about the content of
the board; I'm just curious if my system will crash upon loading it,
editing it, etc.

Another point: have you submitted a board to Protel? If they cannot
reproduce your crashes, they cannot fix it unless they are fixing
something else and that fix just happens to fix your issues.

> This is why I have said in other posts that I believe that 
> the single most important thing we need in SP7 is to have the 
> "stability issues" resolved.
> Sometimes, when I try most to be "professional", and do my 
> job and design boards, Protel 99 SE lets me down in a very 
> "unprofessional" manner, which sometimes causes me to react 
> in a like manner.
> The point here is that the purpose of my original post was to 
> warn other users so that the same thing doesn't happen to 
> them. Please don't read anything into it beyond that.
> JaMi
> Yes Altuim, as you can see, I really really not only want, 
> but really really do need my SP7!

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