JaMi, Thanks for both answers. No I asked him are you sure about the recycle bin many times myself and there was nothing in there. Yes I would doubt the different hard drives would account for 2 meg, and I also put the design on my machine and compacted it with not much difference than he had. As far as moves/rotates, that is what I thought, that the only thing that should happen is if you pick a ref point for the move object off grid or also I think grab it off grid yes ALL will no be off grid. And that ALL of the items should stay as a unit. Now I am not sure what is going on as this designer is very new to Protel, so still not sure exactly what he did but I wanted to start to rule things out with some help of the forum at least to see if anyone experienced this with a move. He might have selected an off grid ref point but a via or trace should not have moved off its connection to each other within this group move I would have thought, but I think (and I stress think) that is when quite a few of these connections became not quite connected by a small amount. Now the design will photoplot as fully connected but the system does not know that. I will need to sit down with him next week and take a closer look at what he did, he is off site, I have a copy of the design I will be looking over this weekend to see if I can shed some light on what's up. Thanks for the help Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "JaMi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "JaMi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Couple Questions Database Size & Group moves/rotates
> Robert, > > A little expansion on the previous comments: > > 1. Slightly different sizes on different machines could be due to the > different machines having different "cluster sizes" on their Hard Drives, > but this should not make for large differences in size. > > 2. It sounds as if when your other designer friend was selecting the > reference point for the move / rotate / or whatever, that he had his cursor > "off grid" and that the reference point didn't actually go where he thought > it went since the grid size was too large. > > JaMi > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JaMi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "JaMi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 2:51 PM > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Couple Questions Database Size & Group moves/rotates > > > > Robert, > > > > First let me apologize for being braindead again (still?), as it appears > > that I just fired off another blank reply. Oh well . . . > > > > 1. Have you looked to see if there is anything that is in the internal > > recycle bin that needs to be emptied? (That's the one that always gets > me). > > > > 2. Everything within the "selection" will keep it's relative position to > the > > reference point of the entire "selection", and the "grid size" will only > be > > relevant to the positioning of that reference point at it's new location. > > > > Hope that helps, > > > > JaMi > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Robert M. Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 1:30 PM > > Subject: [PEDA] Couple Questions Database Size & Group moves/rotates > > > > > > Hello all, > > Have a couple questions, > > 1. I have a database the other designer is working on and he swears > > it jumped in size for no apparent reason. It was hovering around 4-5meg > > after a compact an dall of a sudden it will only compact down to 6.5 meg. > > which then puts it just over the 1.44 mark when zipped with win zip. > > > > There has been nothing added chaged etc enough to justify this big a jump > > in database size ( I've had bigger designs crunch to under 5meg), so just > > wondering > > if anyone knows if there are things that can get hung up to keep it this > > big. > > He has done a repair on it a couple time too. > > Now if that is what th esize is gonna be now fine but just can't see why > > this one is larger against comparable larger designs, it seems it just got > > larger > > by transfering it to and from two different PC's???? > > > > > > 2. When doing any kind of group moves with footprints, vias and tracks etc > > does the snap grid at the time have any affect on what happens to the > > individual items when placed in new location. By that I mean do ALL of the > > selected > > items when moved STAY in the same relationship to each other within > > the group or could snap grids play some havoc here. Would this also b > etrue > > with respect to a group rotate, or worse with rotate? > > It seems on this same design, he is saying quite a few vias > > and or tracks are just shifted off connection after a group move?? > > I would have thought once selected in a group that would stay in > > relationship > > with each other, is that true or not. > > I myself have noticed that when doing a group move you do want to try > > and pick up th egroup and pick a reference point that is on a part that > > is on a grid, that is if you want all the parts to remain on a nice or > same > > grid > > structure. > > But the real question is shouldn't it keep the same relationship of all > > items in group > > regardless of snap grid???? > > > > Thanks > > Bob Wolfe. > > > > > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > * > > * To leave this list visit: > > * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html > > * > > * Contact the list manager: > > * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > * > > * Forum Guidelines Rules: > > * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html > > * > > * Browse or Search previous postings: > > * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
