Is there something wrong with the mail server
or could it be at my end I see 4 of the same

Rob,
No that is one thing I always do is close all before closing
database, I hate to open a job and have either board
or schematic automatically open next time I open the
database.
Bob

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Couple Questions Database Size & Group moves/rotates


> Hi Robert,
>
> You may also want to make to sure that all files in the database are
closed
> before you close the actual database itself.  I found on a 28Meg DDB file
> with few files open, that with no changes, it shrunk down to 21Meg by
> closing all files first, then closing the database.  An easy way to close
> all documents, is to right click on a documents tab, and select "close all
> documents".
>
> Just another thing to try.
>
> Rob Young
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert M. Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 11:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] Couple Questions Database Size & Group moves/rotates
>
>
> > JaMi,
> > Thanks for both answers. No I asked him are you sure about the recycle
bin
> > many times myself and there was nothing in there. Yes I would doubt the
> > different hard drives would account for 2 meg, and I also put the design
> > on my machine and compacted it with not much difference than he had.
> > As far as moves/rotates, that is what I thought, that the only thing
that
> > should happen is if you pick a ref point for the move object off grid or
> > also I think grab it off grid yes ALL will no be off grid. And that ALL
of
> > the
> > items should stay as a unit. Now I am not sure what is going on as this
> > designer is very new to Protel, so still not sure exactly what he did
but
> > I wanted to start to rule things out with some help of the forum at
least
> > to see if anyone experienced this with a move.
> > He might have selected an off grid ref point but a via or trace should
not
> > have moved off its connection to each other within this group move I
> > would have thought, but I think (and I stress think) that
> > is when quite a few of these connections became not quite connected
> > by a small amount. Now the design will photoplot as fully connected
> > but the system does not know that.
> > I will need to sit down with him next week and take a closer look at
what
> he
> > did,
> > he is off site, I have a copy of the design I will be looking over this
> > weekend
> > to see if I can shed some light on what's up.
> > Thanks for the help
> > Bob
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "JaMi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: "JaMi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 6:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Couple Questions Database Size & Group moves/rotates
> >
> >
> > > Robert,
> > >
> > > A little expansion on the previous comments:
> > >
> > > 1. Slightly different sizes on different machines could be due to the
> > > different machines having different "cluster sizes" on their Hard
> Drives,
> > > but this should not make for large differences in size.
> > >
> > > 2. It sounds as if when your other designer friend was selecting the
> > > reference point for the move / rotate / or whatever, that he had his
> > cursor
> > > "off grid" and that the reference point didn't actually go where he
> > thought
> > > it went since the grid size was too large.
> > >
> > > JaMi
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "JaMi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Cc: "JaMi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 2:51 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Couple Questions Database Size & Group
moves/rotates
> > >
> > >
> > > > Robert,
> > > >
> > > > First let me apologize for being braindead again (still?), as it
> appears
> > > > that I just fired off another blank reply. Oh well . . .
> > > >
> > > > 1. Have you looked to see if there is anything that is in the
internal
> > > > recycle bin that needs to be emptied? (That's the one that always
gets
> > > me).
> > > >
> > > > 2. Everything within the "selection" will keep it's relative
position
> to
> > > the
> > > > reference point of the entire "selection", and the "grid size" will
> only
> > > be
> > > > relevant to the positioning of that reference point at it's new
> > location.
> > > >
> > > > Hope that helps,
> > > >
> > > > JaMi
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Robert M. Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 1:30 PM
> > > > Subject: [PEDA] Couple Questions Database Size & Group moves/rotates
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello all,
> > > > Have a couple questions,
> > > > 1. I have a database the other designer is working on and he swears
> > > > it jumped in size for no apparent reason. It was hovering around
> 4-5meg
> > > > after a compact an dall of a sudden it will only compact down to 6.5
> > meg.
> > > > which then puts it just over the 1.44 mark when zipped with win zip.
> > > >
> > > > There has been nothing added chaged etc enough to justify this big a
> > jump
> > > > in database size ( I've had bigger designs crunch to under 5meg), so
> > just
> > > > wondering
> > > > if anyone knows if there are things that can get hung up to keep it
> this
> > > > big.
> > > > He has done a repair on it a couple time too.
> > > > Now if that is what th esize is gonna be now fine but just can't see
> why
> > > > this one is larger against comparable larger designs, it seems it
just
> > got
> > > > larger
> > > > by transfering it to and from two different PC's????
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2. When doing any kind of group moves with footprints, vias and
tracks
> > etc
> > > > does the snap grid at the time have any affect on what happens to
the
> > > > individual items when placed in new location. By that I mean do ALL
of
> > the
> > > > selected
> > > > items when moved STAY in the same relationship to each other within
> > > > the group or could snap grids play some havoc here. Would this also
b
> > > etrue
> > > > with respect to a group rotate, or worse with rotate?
> > > > It seems on this same design, he is saying quite a few vias
> > > > and or tracks are just shifted off connection after a group move??
> > > > I would have thought once selected in a group that would stay in
> > > > relationship
> > > > with each other, is that true or not.
> > > > I myself have noticed that when doing a group move you do want to
try
> > > > and pick up th egroup and pick a reference point that is on a part
> that
> > > > is on a grid, that is if you want all the parts to remain on a nice
or
> > > same
> > > > grid
> > > > structure.
> > > > But the real question is shouldn't it keep the same relationship of
> all
> > > > items in group
> > > > regardless of snap grid????
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Bob Wolfe.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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