Hi Robert,

You may also want to make to sure that all files in the database are closed
before you close the actual database itself.  I found on a 28Meg DDB file
with few files open, that with no changes, it shrunk down to 21Meg by
closing all files first, then closing the database.  An easy way to close
all documents, is to right click on a documents tab, and select "close all
documents".

Just another thing to try.

Rob Young



----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert M. Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Couple Questions Database Size & Group moves/rotates


> JaMi,
> Thanks for both answers. No I asked him are you sure about the recycle bin
> many times myself and there was nothing in there. Yes I would doubt the
> different hard drives would account for 2 meg, and I also put the design
> on my machine and compacted it with not much difference than he had.
> As far as moves/rotates, that is what I thought, that the only thing that
> should happen is if you pick a ref point for the move object off grid or
> also I think grab it off grid yes ALL will no be off grid. And that ALL of
> the
> items should stay as a unit. Now I am not sure what is going on as this
> designer is very new to Protel, so still not sure exactly what he did but
> I wanted to start to rule things out with some help of the forum at least
> to see if anyone experienced this with a move.
> He might have selected an off grid ref point but a via or trace should not
> have moved off its connection to each other within this group move I
> would have thought, but I think (and I stress think) that
> is when quite a few of these connections became not quite connected
> by a small amount. Now the design will photoplot as fully connected
> but the system does not know that.
> I will need to sit down with him next week and take a closer look at what
he
> did,
> he is off site, I have a copy of the design I will be looking over this
> weekend
> to see if I can shed some light on what's up.
> Thanks for the help
> Bob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "JaMi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "JaMi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 6:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] Couple Questions Database Size & Group moves/rotates
>
>
> > Robert,
> >
> > A little expansion on the previous comments:
> >
> > 1. Slightly different sizes on different machines could be due to the
> > different machines having different "cluster sizes" on their Hard
Drives,
> > but this should not make for large differences in size.
> >
> > 2. It sounds as if when your other designer friend was selecting the
> > reference point for the move / rotate / or whatever, that he had his
> cursor
> > "off grid" and that the reference point didn't actually go where he
> thought
> > it went since the grid size was too large.
> >
> > JaMi
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "JaMi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: "JaMi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 2:51 PM
> > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Couple Questions Database Size & Group moves/rotates
> >
> >
> > > Robert,
> > >
> > > First let me apologize for being braindead again (still?), as it
appears
> > > that I just fired off another blank reply. Oh well . . .
> > >
> > > 1. Have you looked to see if there is anything that is in the internal
> > > recycle bin that needs to be emptied? (That's the one that always gets
> > me).
> > >
> > > 2. Everything within the "selection" will keep it's relative position
to
> > the
> > > reference point of the entire "selection", and the "grid size" will
only
> > be
> > > relevant to the positioning of that reference point at it's new
> location.
> > >
> > > Hope that helps,
> > >
> > > JaMi
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Robert M. Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 1:30 PM
> > > Subject: [PEDA] Couple Questions Database Size & Group moves/rotates
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > > Have a couple questions,
> > > 1. I have a database the other designer is working on and he swears
> > > it jumped in size for no apparent reason. It was hovering around
4-5meg
> > > after a compact an dall of a sudden it will only compact down to 6.5
> meg.
> > > which then puts it just over the 1.44 mark when zipped with win zip.
> > >
> > > There has been nothing added chaged etc enough to justify this big a
> jump
> > > in database size ( I've had bigger designs crunch to under 5meg), so
> just
> > > wondering
> > > if anyone knows if there are things that can get hung up to keep it
this
> > > big.
> > > He has done a repair on it a couple time too.
> > > Now if that is what th esize is gonna be now fine but just can't see
why
> > > this one is larger against comparable larger designs, it seems it just
> got
> > > larger
> > > by transfering it to and from two different PC's????
> > >
> > >
> > > 2. When doing any kind of group moves with footprints, vias and tracks
> etc
> > > does the snap grid at the time have any affect on what happens to the
> > > individual items when placed in new location. By that I mean do ALL of
> the
> > > selected
> > > items when moved STAY in the same relationship to each other within
> > > the group or could snap grids play some havoc here. Would this also b
> > etrue
> > > with respect to a group rotate, or worse with rotate?
> > > It seems on this same design, he is saying quite a few vias
> > > and or tracks are just shifted off connection after a group move??
> > > I would have thought once selected in a group that would stay in
> > > relationship
> > > with each other, is that true or not.
> > > I myself have noticed that when doing a group move you do want to try
> > > and pick up th egroup and pick a reference point that is on a part
that
> > > is on a grid, that is if you want all the parts to remain on a nice or
> > same
> > > grid
> > > structure.
> > > But the real question is shouldn't it keep the same relationship of
all
> > > items in group
> > > regardless of snap grid????
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Bob Wolfe.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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