someone :)
should forward some of these to the DXP list

ds


"Back, Norb" wrote:
> 
> Service Pack 7  Service Pack 7   Service Pack 7  Service Pack 7
> Service Pack 7
> 
> I think Altium should do a SP7, that way I would at lease be getting
> something for the money I spent on DXP
> 
> Norbert
> 
> -----Original Message-----Service Pack 7
> From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 2:35 PM
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Cc: JaMi Smith
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
> 
> KLUNK ! ! !
> 
> I thought at one time that we could possibly embarrass Altium into some
> kind of action on Service Pack 7, and I think that since it appears that
> all else has failed, that maybe its time we should start making a some
> more "noise" again.
> 
> It worked for ATS (at least superficially) . . .
> 
> The nicer, kinder, gentler, meeker, submissive, and more passive user
> approach has gotten us nowhere in terms of fixing the remaining problems
> with Protel 99 SE, and absolutely nothing except more refrains from the
> "upgrade to Protel DXP" song and dance routine of some of the more
> prominent users in this forum, almost as if they were either getting a
> commission on DXP sales, or maybe even hoping that if they could get
> enough new converts to DXP that Altium would fix it faster and even
> possibly someday make DXP as productive as 99 SE (even with all of its
> "warts") . . . .
> 
> [insert primal scream here]
> 
> ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH  ! ! ! ! ! ! !
> 
> Upgrading to DXP, even at this point in time, is not "upgrading", but
> still actually "downgrading", in almost every sense. Yes, DXP may
> someday actually become the super wazoo program it has the potential to
> be, and even become a really functional alternative to 99 SE, and be
> worth the price of admission, and even be worth the price of training
> (or is that retraining), but it appears that at this point there are
> still a number of DXP users that are still singing the blues and have
> not yet seen the vision of the starry eyed and Altruistic Altium
> faithful . .
> 
> Alt[ruistic]ium . . .
> 
> JaMi
> 
> PS. While members of this forum see an occasional DXP sob story, or even
> the occasional story of success, to really see what's happening with DXP
> you need to join the DXP Forum, from the Altium website, where you can
> see the daily problems and solutions. Even as just Protel 99 SE users
> you should still be able to join the DXP forum (since you are a
> potential DXP customer), just to monitor its progress as it were.
> Interestingly, or possibly the word is unfortunately, it is still even v
> ery difficult to log into the "official" DXP Forum website and review
> all of the previous posts that are archived there, since a good number
> of the posts are totally scrambled and unreadable, since it is still,
> even at this time, unable to correctly display the all of the various
> different email formats.
> 
> * * * * *
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert M. Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 5:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
> 
> > As far as I know it was never fixed and it still hangs
> > many many times on close so end process
> > needs to be done to shut down a machine.
> >
> > Bob Wolfe
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dennis Saputelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 9:17 PM
> > Subject: Re: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
> >
> >
> > > i believe there is both a in memory cache and an in schematic file
> cache
> > >
> > > closing and reopening the file does not clear the memory cache as i
> > > recall
> > >
> > > you have to close the whole protel session
> > > i think this was cleaned up somewhere along the way so that i have
> not
> > > found it to be much of a problem
> > >
> > > please correct me if i am wrong about this behavoir
> > >
> > > Dennis Saputelli
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This probably strays from your query, but from memory, there was a
> > buglett
> > > > (I'm not sure if it's been fixed) in that where you define the
> default
> > > > primitives in the schematic editor for schematic parts, one of the
> 
> > > > PartFields was incorrectly mapped to another.  Therefore, there
> was one
> > > > part field you could not define, and another that appeared twice.
> What
> > I
> > > > do now at the end of a design is to do a global change to all
> schematic
> > > > parts and replace all part fields matched by: * with attributes:
> {*=}.
> > > >
> > > > "...The weirdest thing however is that when I place the part,
> delete it
> > > > and
> > > > then place it again all behaves as expected: non-hidden, blank
> fields.
> > > > Every subsequently placed instance of that part (wether left-click
> or
> > with
> > > >
> > > > a new place command) is then OK, even when rotated..."
> > > >
> > > > .... this mysterious behaviour may have to do with how Protel
> caches
> > > > placed library parts.  Once you place a part in the schematic
> editor, it
> > > > is cached in memory somewhere (escapes me as to where exactly at
> the
> > mo).
> > > > Even when you place a part supposedly from the library, it adopts
> the
> > > > cached part.  This is overridden with the "update cached parts"
> > function.
> > > >
> > > > I've also experienced Michael's situation once where an entire
> databse
> > > > file etc vanished.  This occured when Protel crashed and gave the
> option
> > > > to "ignore and continue" or "close".  This one time I chose to
> close and
> > > > it then kindly offered to save my work that had changed.  The
> mistake in
> > > > this case is to select "save" (and destroy).
> > > >
> > > > HTH
> > > > Brendon.
> > > >
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > 09/18/03 02:00 AM
> > > > Please respond to
> > > > "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >
> > > > To
> > > > "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > cc
> > > >
> > > > Subject
> > > > Re: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
> > > >
> > > > I have noticed (and I have only been using 99 SE for a few months)
> that
> > it
> > > > does indeed have Altzheimer's.  I have had the program completely
> erase
> > my
> > > > entire database (admittedly it wasn't large) including the
> backups.
> > > >
> > > > I recently had a harddrive crash and had to reinstall Windows and
> > Protel.
> > > > Since then it has been MUCH better behaved.
> > > >
> > > > Michael Badillo
> > > >
> > > > From: Leo Potjewijd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Date: 2003/09/17 Wed AM 08:08:16 EDT
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
> > > >
> > > > Hi again.
> > > >
> > > > I just noticed sometghing strange with the Sch editor of
> P99SE(SP6).
> > > >
> > > > I set up my schematic libraries (all in one database) with custom
> part
> > > > field names: 'tolerance'  for field 1, 'power/voltage' for field 2
> and
> > > > 'class/rating' for field 3.
> > > > Since these fields can be blank for a lot of parts, I further set
> those
> > > > fields to blanks in the default primitives dialog. I also
> unchecked
> > their
> > > > 'hide' checkbox to facilitate later editing.
> > > >
> > > > When I place a part, the first time around these fields show up as
> an
> > > > asterisk on the same location as the part type; ie I have a value
> and
> > > > three
> > > > asterisks on top of one another.
> > > > The fields are not hidden (as expected), but the fields contain
> > asterisks
> > > > (which is NOT expected).
> > > >
> > > > When I rotate the part or left-click again the asterisks that
> shouldn't
> > be
> > > >
> > > > there in the first place suddenly show up at their normal position
> > (which
> > > > is _very_ strange, to say the least).
> > > >
> > > > The weirdest thing however is that when I place the part, delete
> it and
> > > > then place it again all behaves as expected: non-hidden, blank
> fields.
> > > > Every subsequently placed instance of that part (wether left-click
> or
> > with
> > > >
> > > > a new place command) is then OK, even when rotated...
> > > >
> > > > But when I place some other part from any library I'm back at
> square
> > one.
> > > >
> > > > Closing libraries, databases or restarting Protel doesn't help;
> neither
> > > > does 'update parts in cache' or 'update schematics'.
> > > >
> > > > Which brings me to these questions:
> > > > Did I miss a setting somewhere?
> > > > Did anyone see this before?
> > > > Is there a solution to this? This is quite annoying.....
> > > >
> > > > Leo Potjewijd
> > > > hardware designer
> > > > IE Keyprocessor bv.
> > > >
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > +31 20 4620700
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dennis Saputelli
> > >
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> > >
> _______________________________________________________________________
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> > >

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