What the #$%@ is going on now ? ? ?

Can anyone out there understand any of this, or is this just more Protel
/ Altium Jabberwake.

On one hand it looks like they are trying to make a case for making a
new product out of something that they were supposed to give us as part
of DXP and nVisage to begin with, and on the other hand it seems that
they are going to end up trying to charge us money to even fix (oops,
they will never fix it - so I guess that the more correct word would be
finish) DXP SP3.5 (build 18550372).

Maybe I just need to get a good nights sleep before I try and read this
thing again.

On the other hand, maybe we just need to nuke Australia - well maybe not
the whole Country, but at least Protel / Altium.

I think it may once again be time to wake the sleeping giant of customer
/ user opinion, but this time, unlike before when Altium supposedly
abandoned ATS (only to re-clothe it as so clearly shown below), maybe we
need to do it in a much more coordinated manner, that guarentees the
outcome in writing.

And what the #$%@ is Protel 2004.

Could this possibly be Service Pack 7 ? ? ?

What is with these guys. Is there something about all of the blood
pooling in their brains as they stand upside down on the bottom of the
world, or what ? ? ?

Protel 99 SE is still incomplete, and needs some patches ! ! !

DXP / nVisage has been lost in la la land for months and months and
months, and still can't route a board to completion ! ! !

Does anyone else out there besides me think that it is about time that
Protel / Altium needs to come up with some real good answers.

Maybe it is just about time to call a lawyer or two, and get a good
class action lawsuit going here for SP7, SP8, SP9 and the Source Code
for 99SE, and not only a full refund for DXP, but also some very very
large punitive damages to cover the purchase of and retraining on some
other EDA Software as a real solution to our EDA problems and woes.

Needless to say, this is posted here, and not in the DXP Technical
Forum, so I don't get banned once again for speaking the truth and
seeking honest answers to honest questions.

Seriously, I am not just writing this to provoke an answer from Ian or
Abd or Tony, and in fact I beg you guys not to take this off topic and
run it all downhill into the gutter as has been done in the past.

We who are DXP Licensees have spent a very very long time waiting for
Protel / Altium to fix the major problems in DXP, and have had no
response to many many questions regarding the status of DXP, only now to
find out that they have apparently not been busy trying to fix the
problems with DXP, but coming up with something new for which they will
ask us for more money.

For those who did not get a copy, please read the original announcement

The one that really really really has me fuming is the statement "
Updates and enhancements that were under development as part of Service
Pack 3 for nVisage and Protel will not be released for the DXP versions,
but have now been integrated into the nVisage 2004 and Protel 2004

Protel / Altium - I don't think that you really know what you are
getting yourself in for, and you might want to rethink your whole
approach about selling your customer base a non functional system, and
then turning around and saying that you are not going to fix it.

JaMi Smith

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Loughhead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 9:36 PM
Subject: Exciting news for all users of Protel DXP and nVisage DXP

> Dear JaMi
> We would like to notify you about a recent Altium announcement and
take some time to explain the impact of this on the current DXP product
range, in particular Protel and nVisage.
> This week, Altium announced the release of a new Altium product called
Nexar (see http://www.altium.com/corp/media/mr_nexar.htm/). Nexar will
deliver a new approach to digital design, allowing you to implement a
processor-based digital system in an FPGA using board design
methodologies. It will include a mixed schematic/HDL design capture
environment, IP cores, embedded development tools, and a reconfigurable
hardware development platform called a NanoBoard. These features combine
to create a highly interactive design and debug environment, allowing
the engineer to interact directly with a design implemented in the FPGA.
For more information on Nexar, please go to
> More importantly for you, Nexar will pioneer a new approach to
electronics development - something that we are calling LiveDesign.
LiveDesign capabilities, which are incorporated into the DXP platform,
support real-time communication between the engineer and the design.
This will have broad implications for all Altium products - how they
work, and more importantly, how they work together to provide a
complete, integrated electronics design system. Significantly, the
entire Altium product line will move to the LiveDesign-enabled DXP
platform, providing access to the benefits of this new methodology for
all Altium customers.
> Because of our belief that every engineer should have access to the
opportunities that this new technology offers, all current DXP version
users will receive the 2004 software update automatically, free of
charge when it is released Q1, 2004.
> Updates and enhancements that were under development as part of
Service Pack 3 for nVisage and Protel will not be released for the DXP
versions, but have now been integrated into the nVisage 2004 and Protel
2004 releases. Furthermore, nVisage 2004 will deliver a strengthened
environment for dedicated FPGA design. Protel 2004 will be enhanced with
FPGA pin optimisation capabilities, and include full forward and back
annotation of design changes between FPGA and PCB projects. It will also
include the previously announced Situs autorouter improvements.
> So to clarify..
> Everyone who holds a valid user license of Protel DXP and/or nVisage
DXP will receive their respective 2004 software update automatically,
free-of-charge. A NanoBoard can be purchased for an additional fee,
pricing will be announced nearer to release.
> All customers who hold Protel DXP and/or nVisage DXP licenses AND have
a valid pre-paid upgrade subscription will receive the 2004 software
updates as well as the NanoBoard.
> Anyone who purchases a license of Protel DXP and/or nVisage DXP
between November 1, 2003 and December 31st 2003 will also receive the
software update and the NanoBoard.
> More information on Altium's 2004 product line-up will be available
soon on the Altium website (http://www.altium.com). You will also soon
be receiving a copy of EDANEWS which will provide further details on
these matters.
> Best regards,
> Phil Loughhead
> Product Manager, Protel / nVisage
> Altium Limited
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