Guess I might as well forgo the 99SE to DXP 1 day upgrade course, and wait
for the next series of bugs to learn workarounds for.

I'd happily trade 8 or ten new features for a couple of bug fixes.


BTW what is this going to do to the release of the DXP SDK??????

Bob Stephens

-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 5:29 AM
To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Exciting news for all users of Protel DXP and nVisage

I'm personally happy with DXP, it is infinitely better than 99SE.  As for
protel 2004, whats the problem?  You are getting the SP3 updates and new
features within 2004 release for free!  I think you may be right about the
sleep ;-)


-----Original Message-----
From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 20 November 2003 07:56
To: Protel EDA Forum
Cc: JaMi Smith
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Exciting news for all users of Protel DXP and nVisage

What the #$%@ is going on now ? ? ?

Can anyone out there understand any of this, or is this just more Protel /
Altium Jabberwake.

On one hand it looks like they are trying to make a case for making a new
product out of something that they were supposed to give us as part of DXP
and nVisage to begin with, and on the other hand it seems that they are
going to end up trying to charge us money to even fix (oops, they will never
fix it - so I guess that the more correct word would be
finish) DXP SP3.5 (build 18550372).

Maybe I just need to get a good nights sleep before I try and read this
thing again.

On the other hand, maybe we just need to nuke Australia - well maybe not the
whole Country, but at least Protel / Altium.

I think it may once again be time to wake the sleeping giant of customer /
user opinion, but this time, unlike before when Altium supposedly abandoned
ATS (only to re-clothe it as so clearly shown below), maybe we need to do it
in a much more coordinated manner, that guarentees the outcome in writing.

And what the #$%@ is Protel 2004.

Could this possibly be Service Pack 7 ? ? ?

What is with these guys. Is there something about all of the blood pooling
in their brains as they stand upside down on the bottom of the world, or
what ? ? ?

Protel 99 SE is still incomplete, and needs some patches ! ! !

DXP / nVisage has been lost in la la land for months and months and months,
and still can't route a board to completion ! ! !

Does anyone else out there besides me think that it is about time that
Protel / Altium needs to come up with some real good answers.

Maybe it is just about time to call a lawyer or two, and get a good class
action lawsuit going here for SP7, SP8, SP9 and the Source Code for 99SE,
and not only a full refund for DXP, but also some very very large punitive
damages to cover the purchase of and retraining on some other EDA Software
as a real solution to our EDA problems and woes.

Needless to say, this is posted here, and not in the DXP Technical Forum, so
I don't get banned once again for speaking the truth and seeking honest
answers to honest questions.

Seriously, I am not just writing this to provoke an answer from Ian or Abd
or Tony, and in fact I beg you guys not to take this off topic and run it
all downhill into the gutter as has been done in the past.

We who are DXP Licensees have spent a very very long time waiting for Protel
/ Altium to fix the major problems in DXP, and have had no response to many
many questions regarding the status of DXP, only now to find out that they
have apparently not been busy trying to fix the problems with DXP, but
coming up with something new for which they will ask us for more money.

For those who did not get a copy, please read the original announcement

The one that really really really has me fuming is the statement "
Updates and enhancements that were under development as part of Service Pack
3 for nVisage and Protel will not be released for the DXP versions, but have
now been integrated into the nVisage 2004 and Protel 2004 releases.

Protel / Altium - I don't think that you really know what you are getting
yourself in for, and you might want to rethink your whole approach about
selling your customer base a non functional system, and then turning around
and saying that you are not going to fix it.

JaMi Smith

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