What does any of this have to do with Protel or circuit design.  Why don't
you both shut up and quit bothering everybody?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "JaMi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "JaMi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 2:21 AM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Exciting news for all users of Protel DXP and nVisage

> Ian,
> Please see below.
> JaMi
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ian Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 1:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] Exciting news for all users of Protel DXP and nVisage
> > On 06:56 PM 20/11/2003, JaMi Smith said:
> > >What the #$%@ is going on now ? ? ?
> >
> > When has anyone been as rude to you as you are to others?  Is it a
> > skill you have or something you practice hard at.
> >
> Actually Ian, I  am not always rude to others, and you know that, and
neither are
> you, but even you have been extremely rude on occasion.
> I do not always flame on others, and you know that, and neither do you,
but you have
> especially done so on occasion.
> I do not always dump on others, and you know that, and neither do you, but
even you
> have done so on occasion.
> As even you have personally demonstrated here in this forum and others in
the past,
> there are occasions when it is both proper and necessary to be rude, or to
flame, or
> to dump, on someone or something, and I believe that this is one of them.
> In this case, I dumped on Protel / Altium, specifically because of what I
> to be going on here with regards to them abandoning DXP Licensees and
Users. Plain
> and simple.
> I am not being personally rude or slandering your good buddy (or would
that be good
> mate down under) for what he wrote, nor am I holding him personally
accountable for
> the actions that Protel / Altium as a Corporation seem to be taking, since
> actions are not personally attributable to him, but I nonetheless do
believe that
> the Corporation is in fact screwing over the DXP Licensees and Users.
Again, plain
> and simple.
> I am on one hand rather surprised that you have been very very quiet
respecting what
> is going on here, but on the other hand, you have obviously had full
knowledge of
> what was going on here for a long time thru your good buddy and other
contacts at
> Protel / Altium, which has put you in a rather unique position, and I can
> that you have to keep your mouth shut as far as criticism is concerned so
that you
> don't jeopardize those friendships and relationships.
> But just because you have to keep your mouth shut, it doesn't mean that I
or others
> have to keep our mouths shut, respecting Protel / Altium raking us over
the coals.
> I find it very very interesting and very very telling that you cannot say
> else about this whole situation other than complain about my manner of
responding to
> this situation.
> Your good buddies at Protel / Altium are screwing us, and you have
> nothing to say except that you consider me to be rude.
> Well, I tell you something, since this is a open discussion group that
consists of
> men and women of all different sensitivities, I have tried to keep it
fairly clean,
> but I think you can read thru the lines what I really think of some
turncoat smuck
> like you who is a member of this forum, but yet keeps his mouth shut about
what is
> happening to your fellow users.
> Seems to me that we have been here in the past, haven't we, where you have
kept your
> mouth shut about certain things simply to let them play out to the
detrament of
> others in the forum?
> But I guess that you no longer really consider yourself a "user" any more,
since you
> have graduated to an "insider".
> You have been very very quiet in all of the forums lately, and I guess we
now all
> know why.
> > Why don't you make your point without the slander and bigotry?
> >
> > Ian Wilson
> >
> I don't believe that I have used slander or bigotry, and I actually think
you got
> the whole point very precisely, but that you couldn't respond to it in any
> way, other than make an issue out of my manner of presenting the problem.
> Didn't I specifically ask you not to respond to me but rather respond to
> "issue".
> But you cannot respond to the "issue", can you.
> The politest thing that I can think to call you in this circumstance is a
smuck, and
> I don't mean it in a bigotrous sense either, I am just trying to keep it
clean and
> respect the sensitivities of others in this forum, while at the same time
> everyone else know just exactly where your allegiances really lye .
> Ian, please don't attack me or my mannerisms, simply because you cannot
speak to the
> issue.
> I've got a great idea Ian, why don't you really come to the aid of the DXP
> and Users and all of the other people in this forum, and come clean with
what you
> really know about everything that is going on with Protel / Altium in this
> issue?
> JaMi

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