Just changed the subject to reflect the thread
more. Yes I know, pedant alert!
I've looked into some of the books Chris
recommended (and indeed thanks for doing
so). It seems the second edition of the Roey
Izhaki book no longer comes with a DVD, but
instead the samples are downloadable.
Focal press do have eBook versions
available. However, you need to choose the
format you need/want. This is a pain actually
as there are times for me when EPUB is
preferable, whilst at others and on a different
device, PDF is nice to have. I'm trying to
ascertain if O'Reilly or InformIT do Taylor and
Francis books. Focal Press is a subdivision of
this publisher. Anyway the point here is that
you no longer need to buy the print book to get
the downloadable materials. I haven't looked into the Bob Katz one yet.
Hope this helps someone,
Dónal
On 11 Jul 2014, at 17:29, Chris Norman <chris.norm...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Cheers Chris, that's a really useful email.
>
> On 11 Jul 2014, at 17:27, Chris Smart <csma...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>
>> Well, I was interested in mixing and mastering. For mixing, check out:
>> 1. Mike Senior - Mixing Secrets for the Small Studio
>> That one really illustrates what it takes to
get a mix up to commercial standards.
>> (and check out Mike's excelent website,
including an enormous free multitrack library of material to practice on!)
>> www.cambridge-mt.com
>>
>> and
>> 2. Roey Izhaki - Mixing Audio - Concepts Practices and Tools
>> http://www.mixingaudio.com/
>> That one is extremely thorough, and every
example in the book comes in audio form on a
data DVD. If something confuses you in the
first book or you want to learn a lot about a
specific thing, such as compressors, reverb,
etc., check it out in the second book.
>>
>> Generally, Focal Press puts out a lot of great material.
>>
>> For mastering, the bible is:
>> Bob Katz - Mastering Audio; the Art and the Science.
>> His site is at:
>> http://www.digido.com
>>
>> Hopefully someone can recommend a good text on recording.
>>
>> At 12:11 PM 7/11/2014, you wrote:
>>> In your defense, Chris, you do have a very
valid point about reading. That I'll give
ya. Are there any good titles you'd recommend starting with?
>>>
>>> Chris.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Smart" <csma...@cogeco.ca>
>>> To: <ptaccess@googlegroups.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:56 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Well, I was wrong.
>>>
>>>
>>>> if you can't afford school, you can still
get and read lots of books on recording, or
producing, or mixing or mastering etc.
>>>>
>>>> The FS in dBFS means full scale. (not the same as dbV dBU dBSPL etc.)
>>>>
>>>> At 04:37 AM 7/11/2014, you wrote:
>>>>> You wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> First of all, Chris, you probably
shouldn't expect that people have the time to
listen to an mp3 where you start going into
your preference settings. That's just not reasonable for most people.
>>>>>
>>>>> And, I didn't! expect people to be
required to listen. Why do you think I said,
if you want! to listen to it, it may help
explain things. Nowhere what so ever did I
make mention that people absolutely just, had!
to listen to it. If you don't wanna play it,
or don't have the time, then, don't. Plain and
simple. It's only an option I provided.
>>>>>
>>>>> Secondly, if you're close to clipping
with your preamps all the way down, then
there's another issue here that you need to
address and I'm not sure what that is but I can
assure you that no microphone's own output
signal is hot enough to hit line level without a preamp of some sort.
>>>>>
>>>>> The issue is Slau, it's apparently not
hitting that hot, you're correct. Even when
Sweetwater went in and looked, it shows I'm
hitting at a decent level. I think it's more a
Voiceover thing than anything. It appears
based on all the testing I've done with an
experienced sighted person who knows a ton
about audio production, that it's Voiceover
being dumb and not correctly announcing the meter levels.
>>>>>
>>>>> You wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You clearly don't have the answer because
you're searching for it and it would take some
deeper examination of what's going on to figure out your issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK that made no sense. If something is
going wrong, isn't that what one should do?...
search and try to figure out the answer? How
can you examine anything to start with if you
don't search nor ask for what may be the cause?
>>>>>
>>>>> You wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I assure you that it has absolutely zero to do with Pro Tools itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> I now agree. I think it's more a bug
with Voiceover. When sighted people have
looked at my levels, I'm coming in around -14
to -12, which is absolutely perfect. However,
on the actual mono audio track itself which the
mike is being recorded, when I sing into the
mike, as I'm doing so looking at the meter,
according to Voiceover, I'm peeking around -5
to -4 DB. So, at this time, the only
explaination that I have is Voiceover is being
dumb. When I used PT 10, I didn't change a
single thing in my interface software, nor did
I change anything with the physical hardware
gain input dial on the channel through my
interface, yet, in PT 10, the meter shows correctly.
>>>>>
>>>>> You wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It's software and has no bearing on your
recording volume. The problem is that you're
dealing with some stuff that you don't
understand and you'll need to get a handle on it in order to solve the problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, what stuff then don't I
understand? What stuff do I need to research more thoroughly?
>>>>>
>>>>> You wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The quagmire is that it takes a lot of
time to understand the various aspects of the
myriad of equipment and that's why there are
schools that teach audio engineering and production.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, but if you can't afford to go to one of those schools...
>>>>>
>>>>> You wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, it's possible to learn this on
your own but it can take quite a long time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Understandable.
>>>>>
>>>>> You wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Bottom line is, if you have a microphone
going into an interface and nothing else in
between, there's no possible way your levels can be at -4 dB FS.
>>>>>
>>>>> For one thing, I know what -4DB means,
but when you say DB FS, what do you mean by
FS? Maybe we're talking two different levels
here. Then again, nmaybe not? Secondly, let
me go back to my initial point. If indeed this
is not ProTools related, and please know, this
isn't in any way meant to challenge you nor to
be rude/difficult, I'm just trying to
understand your point from the bigger
picture. So, keep that in mind when reading what I'm about to ask.
>>>>>
>>>>> If PT has nothing to do with it, which by
the way, I'm in agreement with you on at this
point in time until proven otherwise, then
explain this to me... Why then is PT 10 with
Voiceover showing me something totally
different than PT 11, when my settings are
absolutely 100% identical on both versions, I'm
running both on the same mac computer, so it's
not like I'm on a different workstation, same
hardware, same interface, same drivers, same
software, same hardware wiring, same hookup,
and all my levels on PT, as well as on the
interface itself haven't been touched with a 12
foot poll, sota speak, yet I'm getting totally
completely different readouts between the two
versions? That almost indicates to me that
there is an issue in PT 11.2 reading the
meaters, vs. in 10.0. This is why I asked a
few messages back in the thread if PT11 handled
the meters a little differently, or if it was
an issue of Voiceover itself doing something odd.
>>>>>
>>>>> You wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I guarantee that there's another piece of
gear that's causing you to see levels that hot.
I suggest you eliminate the variables and figure the problem out that way.
>>>>>
>>>>> All I have is my keyboard which is only
running into the interface via midi, so it
can't be causing line levels, however, none the
less, I unplugged it and shut it off. I
literally went as far as to literally unplug it
from the electrical power strip. I also
unplugged the midi in and out cords from both
the keyboard and the other ends of them from
the interface. Essentially, I totally unhooked
the keyboard. I also unplugged my xlr cord
from both my microphone, as well as from the
channel 1 input on my interface, and even
turned off phantom power. I even hit the 20DB
padding button on channel 1, to knotch it back
20DB just in case it was hearing some
electrical hiss/buzz noise, which is unlikely,
but you never know. Even doing all this, it
did no baring. 10.0 still shows totally acceptible, whilst 11.2 isn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> I should add that there are no sends, and
no plugins on the audio track in PT which are
giving me this issue with the meter. I know
that the volume fader on the track is output
not my input volume, however, just to see if
something wasn't set right, I ran that fader
all the way to minus infinity yet it had no
baring. I even muted the track. Again, I
understand totally that is dealing with output,
not input, so that wouldn't have any effect. I
know, I know, I know. I did it just for the
hell of it. I figure I had nothing to lose.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris.
>>>>> --
>>>>> You received this message because you are
subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group.
>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop
receiving emails from it, send an email to
ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> You received this message because you are
subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group.
>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop
receiving emails from it, send an email to
ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>>>
>>> --
>>> You received this message because you are
subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop
receiving emails from it, send an email to
ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>>
>> --
>> You received this message because you are
subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop
receiving emails from it, send an email to
ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>
> --
> You received this message because you are
subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop
receiving emails from it, send an email to
ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
--
You received this message because you are
subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop
receiving emails from it, send an email to
ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
