Hi, I think also this is a very good thing as I was having this same issue. The one issue with this method is if pro tools is upgraded who is to say this feature won't break and do you know if there are plans to make this a standard voiceover button as I could see this method breaking in another release as with other software I have ran across where you have to interact with buttons to get results with the screen reader? I do hope they won't break this feature but continue to make wonderful fixes as with pro tools 11 they have made lots of wonderful fixes but when these types of issues come up it makes me and my teachers wonder about making pro tools totally usable with voiceover. If all of us could write a good document like using pro tools with voiceover in a pdf format could we possibley have Avid include it in their next version of the documentation? I have ran into other blind users who are friends of mine and people who were not friends of mine asking about the accessibility of pro tools and when they have called or written Avid the people they have talked to act like they know nothing about using pro tools as a blind person which was also my issue at first or I would have been into pro tools a long time ago? I am not trying to say that these methods don't work as they do but for other users who are brand new as I was trying to explain some of these tricks to another blind person a few days ago they were totally clueless on what I was talking about but then again they had not used pro tools before. The document could always be written with a statement at the top that this material was not written by Avid but is being provided by the community as a service or one of the programmers at Avid who deals in accessibility could also write such a document with our input. Having the Avid developers also join this list even if they don't always respond but just read these messages would be very useful if it is not already being done as this way when we bring up an issue they would be made aware of it. Is there any plans to continue that one site that was created for pro tools accessibility about a year ago that was going to have good pointers on resources and tutorials as if so then all that would need to be done as a link to that site featured in the documentation? Nick Gawronski
On 9/26/2014 7:31 PM, Ricky Prevatte wrote:
I think I will try the item chooser and logic as well. You are making ProTools 
look more inviting day after day. I am just a novice and music is a little more 
than a hobby I am not professional anymore. But with ProTools I might try for a 
little more side work.

Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154

On Sep 26, 2014, at 12:27 PM, Slau Halatyn <[email protected]> wrote:

Folks,

One of the features for which I've been campaigning on the accessibility with 
on the Pro Tools front has been the nudge value field. In earlier versions of 
Pro Tools, it was not specifically accessible but one could at least press the 
button, type a value, press Return and at least the custom field was entered 
and one could go about their business with the new nudge value. Now, if you 
don't know why a custom nudge value is important, never mind for now and trust 
me when I say that it'll save your ass at some point, guaranteed.

well, in Pro Tools 11, the interface changed a bit and now at least we could 
see the Nudge Controls button which popped up the format selection and default 
values. Thing is, now we couldn't enter the custom value. I submitted a bug 
report and nothing seemed to change because other items like the MIDI Event 
List took precedence, understandably.

Well, only yesterday, I stumbled upon what I can only call a discovery, for lack of a better word because it 
was truly hidden. Unfortunately, a bit of a misnomer was incorporated when one of the programmers worked on 
the nudge and grid controls. In the edit window, there is a Grid/Nudge cluster. That naming convention was 
inherited from the initial work of PT accessibility in version 8. When interacting, you find 3 items labeled 
"Show Grid Lines" (which is either selected or not), "Grid Controls button" and 
"Nudge Controls button" Clicking on the first button toggles its state of either showing or not 
showing grid lines in the timeline. Clicking either of the two remaining buttons pops up a list of formats 
and default values as mentioned earlier.

Yesterday, as I was making a macro to double-click on the nudge value field to at least be able to once again 
enter custom nudge values, I needed to quickly navigate to the Nudge Control button and so I brought up the 
Item Chooser list and typed n u d g e. Surprisingly, the list contained several items rather than just the 
one I was expecting. It contained a text field labeled "Nudge" and a numeric field labeled 
"Nudge value." I had never seen this before and was stunned. To my astonishment, having selected 
the nudge value field, I purposely stopped interacting with the control to see where it was nested. To my 
surprise, it was nested in the "Nudge Controls button." Well, of course, a VoiceOver user would 
never think to interact with a button because that's not the function of a button. In fact, upon retrying 
with another session, simply navigating to the Nudge Controls button and interacting with it simply interacts 
with the title of the button itself rather than its alleged contents. Bringing up the Item Chooser, however, 
indeed exposes the hidden controls. Further, once accessed, interacting and exiting interaction with the 
button seems to traverse the levels repeatedly.

Bottom line is, if you need to type a custom nudge value, and I promise you, 
you will at some point, use the Item Chooser to get to the Nudge Value numeric 
field, click once and type the custom value, hit Return and be on your way.

This is an issue of nomenclature mostly but also the non-standard manner in 
which a control was defined. It's really not a button but a group of controls 
or a cluster, if you will. So, it's confusing until you know what it truly is. 
I'm explaining this so that, when others ask, more people on the list know 
about this quirk. That said, I'm relieved that the issue of access to the nudge 
value was addressed, albeit in a non-standard way, because it's truly one of 
the quality-of-life issues that kept me from moving to Pro Tools 11 full time. 
For me, this was a big one. There are a few others that are being addressed in 
beta that will be resolved soon, I'm sure.

Anyway, just sharing the info.

Slau

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