My intent is to allow major website users of certificates with complex 
infrastructures to tell us about their experiences with and comments on rule 
changes, and how they are implemented.  Right now, I’m not sure whether or not 
the enterprises will be available during our meeting, but if not we can 
schedule during a late teleconference call.

You can certainly approach this from another angle as well, and bring in users 
in general who have interesting and useful things to say to the Forum.  I think 
we still have some time slots available if you want to organize that as a 
separate session.  Let me know if you want to do that, and how much time you 
would like.

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Kirk,

Could you clarify your intent? You mentioned "any other enterprise users" - but 
I believe the goal is certificate users in general (i.e. more broadly than just 
enterprise).

Is that correct?

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 6:03 PM, Kirk Hall via Public 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I will present names and companies once their participation is confirmed.  Yes, 
at the Chair’s invitation, but I will additionally “invite” any other 
enterprise users others may propose to tell their stories.

I’d point out that over the years we have heard from many people and 
organizations at our meetings.  It’s been very useful.

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On Jun 13, 2017, at 2:28 PM, Ryan Sleevi via Public 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:



On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Kirk Hall via Public 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On your first question - some major enterprise users would like to present 
their ideas and concerns about SSL certificate rules, changes, etc. from their 
perspective, which I know the browsers have wanted (rather than hearing it 
reported by the CAs who provide the certs to enterprise customers).

To be clear: Several browsers have wanted open participation. I would suggest 
that having CA-selected participants, without explanation (as Gerv had to seek) 
is perhaps detrimental to the productive dialog, in as much as it allows the 
Chair - and CA members - to favour particular viewpoints to the detriment of 
the overall ecosystem.

Might I suggest that it might not be appropriate?

I think we should welcome hearing from certificate users directly.

Kirk: Can you provide a list of certificate users who will be presenting, 
including their affiliation?  I’m assuming they are attending the F2F at the 
invitation of the Chair.

Thanks,
Peter

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